From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:01:58 +1300 Message-ID: <18324.2854.597803.446232@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <4pd9g15e.fsf@blue.sea.net> <874pd92ias.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87y7al11a1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1200884553 29931 80.91.229.12 (21 Jan 2008 03:02:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 21 04:02:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JGmvu-0001I5-S5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:02:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGmvV-0001T0-FD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:02:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JGmvS-0001SD-Id for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:02:18 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JGmvQ-0001Pd-9Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:02:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGmvQ-0001PW-6s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:02:16 -0500 Original-Received: from viper.snap.net.nz ([202.37.101.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JGmvL-0006yF-TM; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:02:12 -0500 Original-Received: from kahikatea.snap.net.nz (89.61.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.61.89]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD083DA450; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:02:02 +1300 (NZDT) Original-Received: by kahikatea.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8FFD88FC6D; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:01:59 +1300 (NZDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 23.0.50.33 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:87167 Archived-At: > Many of the regular developers on this list appear to have a great deal > more experience with both (dVCS tools and Emacs development) than Eric > does... Collectively, perhaps. Most seemed to share their point of view from the system(s) with which they were familiar. I can see that placing the entire revision history of Emacs in a new VCS is a major undertaking that is not to be taken lightly. Choosing a bug tracker, in comparison, is trivial: if we don't like it, we stop using it. How about just approaching that task first? RMS has said: debbugs looks plausible, but what I would really like is for someone to try using the various possible bug trackers, limiting himself to email, and report on how well each one works in that mode. It looks unlikely that anyone is willing to be quite so self-sacrificing. Is it possible for someone to set up a Debian machine that is connected to the Internet with debbugs and just see what happens? Or are we just going to spend the rest of 2008, 2009,... talking about it? -- Nick http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob