From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:55:45 +1300 Message-ID: <18296.5089.576420.693451@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071230172259.GB6572@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199052104 9168 80.91.229.12 (30 Dec 2007 22:01:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:01:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 30 23:01:57 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J96EG-0004jF-I3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:01:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J96Dv-00078P-7u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:01:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J96Ds-000779-BW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:01:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J96Dq-00074u-7W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:01:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J96Dq-00074r-2w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:01:30 -0500 Original-Received: from viper.snap.net.nz ([202.37.101.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J96Dl-0005Wi-V4; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:01:26 -0500 Original-Received: from kahikatea.snap.net.nz (41.63.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.63.41]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBD33DA483; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:01:20 +1300 (NZDT) Original-Received: by kahikatea.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 70D658FC6D; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:55:46 +1300 (NZDT) In-Reply-To: <20071230172259.GB6572@thyrsus.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 23.0.50.19 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85705 Archived-At: > > I usually don't have an internet connection, so I could not possibly > > use the methods you recommend. I cannot communicate with people by > > IRC. I cannot get information from a web interface. > > Er...perhaps you should fix these problems, rather than allowing them > to limit and damage Emacs and every other project you are involved in. I don't think Richard perceives it as a problem. After a long thread about using a bug tracker, we still use a file called FOR-RELEASE; seven months after 22.1 was released, there has been no bugfix 22.2 release; and after five and a half years on a branch, Unicode Emacs is still on a branch. This is how Emacs development works. As they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. -- Nick http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob