From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ulrich Mueller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: desupporting X10 and old X11 releases Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:52:10 +0100 Message-ID: <18215.14090.751213.147896@a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de> References: <87odfcggvl.fsf@jurta.org> <87hckk9uoa.fsf@jurta.org> <87abqcrq9p.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <471BE5D3.3050007@gmail.com> <87y7dwq7x9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87odepv21n.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ir4wjcev.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200710261516.l9QFGQ7C001069@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <200710261941.l9QJfcH0010503@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <200710271728.l9RHSk8B019811@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <200710281645.l9SGjEO7024789@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <47258C01.70608@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1193752384 26202 80.91.229.12 (30 Oct 2007 13:53:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dann@ics.uci.edu, emacs@gentoo.org, eliz@gnu.org, Jan Djärv , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 30 14:53:05 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ImrWU-0004Lf-TN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:52:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImrWL-0002Jx-Gz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:52:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ImrWH-0002GC-0H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:52:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ImrWF-0002D6-5a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:52:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImrWE-0002Cc-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:52:34 -0400 Original-Received: from a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.134.1]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ImrW1-0001dn-R0; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:52:22 -0400 Original-Received: from a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de (a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de [134.93.134.75]) by a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.1/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l9UDqBSk010358; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:52:11 +0100 Original-Received: from a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l9UDqB5s026042; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:52:11 +0100 Original-Received: (from ulm@localhost) by a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id l9UDqAla026037; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:52:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.2-487 under Emacs 22.1.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:82138 >>>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007, Richard Stallman wrote: > Before we delete oldXMenu as an option, I want to ask users if anyone > still wants it. Supporting it is not costing much effort, and it > is not a matter of a platform that may have disappeared. Here are some data from Gentoo (for both GNU/Linux and FreeBSD). I have extracted the configuration information ("USE flags") from GNU Emacs related bugs that were reported to us in 2006 and 2007. (I didn't bother to correct for users reporting more than one bug, so active users might have more than one "vote" in the table below. It's not dominated by a small number of users though.) The result is quite surprising (at least to me): Toolkit Gentoo USE flags number ----------------------------------------------------- gtk X gtk 80 athena / lucid X -gtk Xaw3d 2 motif / lesstif X -gtk -Xaw3d motif 2 no toolkit / oldXMenu X -gtk -Xaw3d -motif 18 no X -X 15 ----------------------------------------------------- The reason for the low numbers for "athena/lucid" and "motif/lesstif" may be that the Gentoo ebuild always prefers "gtk" if the user specifies more than one toolkit at the same time. (The raw numbers for the USE flags are 21 times "X Xaw3d" and 40 times "X motif".) However, the conclusion is that there seems to be a substantial number of Emacs installations using either no X toolkit, or no X at all. Ulrich