* feature request: additional org/remember template escapes:
@ 2007-09-01 4:32 T. V. Raman
2007-09-03 16:06 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: T. V. Raman @ 2007-09-01 4:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
I've been using org with remember as my "Web Notebook" for the
last 18 months.
I browse exclusively from Emacs as an emacspeak user (w3 and W3M)
and this is an incredibly useful thing to have.
The one thing that prevents me from completely satisfied is the
set of available template escapes --
based on what is possible, entries end up looking like:
** [[URL]] note
where "note" is what I typed in the remember buffer.
Ideally I'd like the above to be :
** [[URL][Note]]
or even better, have the entry go in as a bullet rather than a
section header.
Finally, I have never understood what the "inserted at level n
shifted by m" message means, could we come up with better
wording? I feel uneasy criticizing without a better suggestion,
but I dont understand what it means fully, and am consequently
reluctant to hazard at a better phrase.
--
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--raman
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread* Re: feature request: additional org/remember template escapes: 2007-09-01 4:32 feature request: additional org/remember template escapes: T. V. Raman @ 2007-09-03 16:06 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-09-03 18:13 ` T. V. Raman 2007-09-04 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-09-03 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: raman; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:32, T. V. Raman wrote: > I've been using org with remember as my "Web Notebook" for the > last 18 months. > > I browse exclusively from Emacs as an emacspeak user (w3 and W3M) > and this is an incredibly useful thing to have. > > The one thing that prevents me from completely satisfied is the > set of available template escapes -- > based on what is possible, entries end up looking like: > > ** [[URL]] note > > where "note" is what I typed in the remember buffer. > > Ideally I'd like the above to be : > > ** [[URL][Note]] > Starting with 5.08, you will be able to use %A in the template. It will insert the link, but explicitly prompt you for the link description. > or even better, have the entry go in as a bullet rather than a > section header. This is hard, because the whole note insertion of remember notes is based on the outline structure. No action for now. > Finally, I have never understood what the "inserted at level n > shifted by m" message means, could we come up with better > wording? I feel uneasy criticizing without a better suggestion, > but I dont understand what it means fully, and am consequently > reluctant to hazard at a better phrase. A remember note is an outline entry, i.e. it has a first line with one or many stars. Notes are inserted into the existing outline structure using the command org-paste-subtree. The command is clever about adjusting the outline level of the inserted subtree, so that it correctly fits into the local hierarchy. And to make sure the user understands what just happened, it tells the user what the new outline level of the inserted item is, if it hat to be shifted (i.e. promoted or demoted but removing or adding stars) to get there. At the time of implementation this was more of a debugging feedback than anything else. I guess this is reasonably useful feedback when using the pasting commands explicitly, in an interactive way. We could turn off the message in non-interactive use like this (during remember filing note storing). For interactive use, how about the simpler: "Clipboard pasted as level N subtree" Would that be clearer? - Carsten -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: feature request: additional org/remember template escapes: 2007-09-03 16:06 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2007-09-03 18:13 ` T. V. Raman 2007-09-04 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: T. V. Raman @ 2007-09-03 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: dominik; +Cc: raman, emacs-orgmode Yes, your suggested replacement for the message would be clearer. And thanks for the new template, org/remember is an amazing piece of work. >>>>> "Carsten" == Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: Carsten> On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:32, T. V. Raman wrote: Carsten> >> I've been using org with remember as my "Web Notebook" for >> the last 18 months. >> >> I browse exclusively from Emacs as an emacspeak user (w3 >> and W3M) and this is an incredibly useful thing to have. >> >> The one thing that prevents me from completely satisfied >> is the set of available template escapes -- based on what >> is possible, entries end up looking like: >> >> ** [[URL]] note >> >> where "note" is what I typed in the remember buffer. >> >> Ideally I'd like the above to be : >> >> ** [[URL][Note]] >> Carsten> Starting with 5.08, you will be able to use %A in the template. Carsten> It will insert the link, but explicitly prompt you Carsten> for the link description. Carsten> >> or even better, have the entry go in as a bullet rather >> than a section header. Carsten> Carsten> This is hard, because the whole note insertion of Carsten> remember notes is based on the outline structure. Carsten> No action for now. Carsten> >> Finally, I have never understood what the "inserted at >> level n shifted by m" message means, could we come up with >> better wording? I feel uneasy criticizing without a better >> suggestion, but I dont understand what it means fully, and >> am consequently reluctant to hazard at a better phrase. Carsten> Carsten> A remember note is an outline entry, i.e. it has a Carsten> first line with one or many stars. Notes are Carsten> inserted into the existing outline structure using Carsten> the command org-paste-subtree. The command is Carsten> clever about adjusting the outline level of the Carsten> inserted subtree, so that it correctly fits into the Carsten> local hierarchy. And to make sure the user Carsten> understands what just happened, it tells the user Carsten> what the new outline level of the inserted item is, Carsten> if it hat to be shifted (i.e. promoted or demoted Carsten> but removing or adding stars) to get there. At the Carsten> time of implementation this was more of a debugging Carsten> feedback than anything else. Carsten> Carsten> I guess this is reasonably useful feedback when Carsten> using the pasting commands explicitly, in an Carsten> interactive way. We could turn off the message in Carsten> non-interactive use like this (during remember Carsten> filing note storing). Carsten> Carsten> For interactive use, how about the simpler: Carsten> Carsten> "Clipboard pasted as level N subtree" Carsten> Carsten> Would that be clearer? Carsten> Carsten> - Carsten Carsten> Carsten> Carsten> Carsten> -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Carsten> Pannekoek" Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 Carsten> NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 Carsten> Carsten> Carsten> Carsten> _______________________________________________ Carsten> Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Carsten> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Best Regards, --raman Email: raman@users.sf.net WWW: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM: emacspeak GTalk: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com PGP: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google: tv+raman IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: feature request: additional org/remember template escapes: 2007-09-03 16:06 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-09-03 18:13 ` T. V. Raman @ 2007-09-04 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard 2007-09-04 5:37 ` Bastien 2007-09-04 6:51 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Xavier Maillard @ 2007-09-04 1:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, raman Hi, > ** [[URL]] note > > where "note" is what I typed in the remember buffer. > > Ideally I'd like the above to be : > > ** [[URL][Note]] > Starting with 5.08, you will be able to use %A in the template. It will insert the link, but explicitly prompt you for the link description. Maybe I have not understood the problem, but what is the difference with me, doing an explicit C-c C-l ? Xavier -- http://www.gnu.org http://www.april.org http://www.lolica.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: feature request: additional org/remember template escapes: 2007-09-04 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard @ 2007-09-04 5:37 ` Bastien 2007-09-05 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard 2007-09-04 6:51 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2007-09-04 5:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi Xavier, Xavier Maillard <xma@gnu.org> writes: > Starting with 5.08, you will be able to use %A in the template. > It will insert the link, but explicitly prompt you for > the link description. > > Maybe I have not understood the problem, but what is the > difference with me, doing an explicit C-c C-l ? Well, the discussion was about remember templates, not direct interactive link insertion. See (info "(Org)Remember templates") : (setq org-remember-templates '((?t "* TODO %?\n %i\n %a" "~/org/TODO.org") (?j "* %U %?\n\n %i\n %a" "~/org/JOURNAL.org") (?i "* %^{Title}\n %i\n %a" "~/org/JOURNAL.org" "New Ideas"))) The `%a' refers to an "annotation, normally the link created with `org-store-link'". The proposed solution is to make this insertion interactive by prompting for the link description. Hope it's clearer now! -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: feature request: additional org/remember template escapes: 2007-09-04 5:37 ` Bastien @ 2007-09-05 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Xavier Maillard @ 2007-09-05 1:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi Bastien, See (info "(Org)Remember templates") : <snip> The `%a' refers to an "annotation, normally the link created with `org-store-link'". The proposed solution is to make this insertion interactive by prompting for the link description. Hope it's clearer now! Crystal clear ! Thank you. Now I understand it correctly, I can see the benefit to have this spec. Xavier -- http://www.gnu.org http://www.april.org http://www.lolica.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: feature request: additional org/remember template escapes: 2007-09-04 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard 2007-09-04 5:37 ` Bastien @ 2007-09-04 6:51 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-09-05 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-09-04 6:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Xavier Maillard; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, raman On Sep 4, 2007, at 3:00, Xavier Maillard wrote: > Hi, > >> ** [[URL]] note >> >> where "note" is what I typed in the remember buffer. >> >> Ideally I'd like the above to be : >> >> ** [[URL][Note]] >> > > > Starting with 5.08, you will be able to use %A in the template. > It will insert the link, but explicitly prompt you for > the link description. > > Maybe I have not understood the problem, but what is the > difference with me, doing an explicit C-c C-l ? This is for using remember with a template. %a will be replaced by a link to the location from where you called remember. In contrast to C-c C-l, this will not allow you to set/modify the link description. - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: feature request: additional org/remember template escapes: 2007-09-04 6:51 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2007-09-05 1:00 ` Xavier Maillard 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Xavier Maillard @ 2007-09-05 1:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, raman Hi Carsten, >> ** [[URL]] note >> >> where "note" is what I typed in the remember buffer. >> >> Ideally I'd like the above to be : >> >> ** [[URL][Note]] > > Starting with 5.08, you will be able to use %A in the template. > It will insert the link, but explicitly prompt you for > the link description. > > Maybe I have not understood the problem, but what is the > difference with me, doing an explicit C-c C-l ? This is for using remember with a template. %a will be replaced by a link to the location from where you called remember. It is already the case, isn't it ? I am using it in my own templates here for days (weeks ?). Are %a and %A the same ? In contrast to C-c C-l, this will not allow you to set/modify the link description. Ok. Sorry to bother. Xavier -- http://www.gnu.org http://www.april.org http://www.lolica.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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