From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 20:04:38 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <18096f9a-c617-f37b-cdaa-1a6198db2e1c@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83h7wxotix.fsf@gnu.org>
On 03.05.2020 19:47, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Not the manual, the documentation commands in general. They don't
> only use the manual.
The apropos command has pretty much the same problem with filtering and
ordering. Only more difficult, since it offers more matches.
Having function names more consistency named would help with it too.
Personal note: I don't like it's output. It's noisy and hard to scan
visually. But that has little bearing on the argument.
> And I don't see what's wrong with that. I saw what I thought was the
> wrong tool for the job, so I suggested to use a better tool. Why do I
> have to "acknowledge" a problem in using a wrong tool, instead of
> pointing out that it's wrong? Why is it "reasonable" to used the
> wrong tool and expect that it produces optimal results? It isn't.
Calling a tool that many people have been employing for years
"inadequate" is mildly insulting and dismissive of others' experience.
Even if I start using apropos and the manual more, I will continue using
code completion and describe-xxx commands nevertheless, and better
naming would still help there.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-05-03 17:04 UTC|newest]
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2020-04-28 13:01 [ELPA] New package: transient Jonas Bernoulli
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[not found] ` <87v9ljo5d0.fsf@bernoul.li>
[not found] ` <jwvh7x3bfoe.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li>
2020-04-29 8:29 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 9:50 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 10:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 10:17 ` tomas
2020-04-29 10:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 10:52 ` tomas
2020-04-30 12:44 ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-30 13:28 ` tomas
2020-04-30 14:26 ` Namespacing Emacs's core (was: [ELPA] New package: transient) Stefan Monnier
2020-04-30 15:08 ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:23 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:56 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 19:02 ` tomas
2020-04-30 2:30 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 2:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 6:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 7:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 8:09 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 9:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 9:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 10:11 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 10:56 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:59 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 11:09 ` Use elisp--xref-backend in *Apropos* and *Help* (Was Re: [ELPA] New package: transient) João Távora
2020-05-02 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 2:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 11:22 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 11:52 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 12:09 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 12:22 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 17:33 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 16:04 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 9:53 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:39 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 11:10 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 11:17 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 11:39 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:02 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:11 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:20 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:36 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:59 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 13:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 13:12 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:28 ` tomas
2020-05-02 12:22 ` tomas
2020-05-03 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-03 4:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 17:48 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 14:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 14:57 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 17:42 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 10:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 11:47 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 14:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 15:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 15:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 16:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 14:10 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 14:26 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 15:43 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 16:12 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 16:42 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 18:27 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-03 7:47 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 19:46 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03 21:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 22:04 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 0:41 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 16:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 18:10 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 18:37 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 18:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 19:12 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 19:44 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 18:32 ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 20:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 21:00 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 21:53 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 22:13 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 21:27 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 15:03 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 15:11 ` Joost Kremers
2020-05-03 15:28 ` C-h f and C-h v (was: [ELPA] New package: transient) Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 17:41 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 17:44 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 16:21 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 15:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 16:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 21:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 15:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 18:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:04 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2020-05-03 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 0:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 19:49 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 23:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 1:01 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 1:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 18:05 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 15:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:31 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 1:13 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-04 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 8:23 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 15:39 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 16:33 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 15:44 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 16:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 16:40 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 8:27 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-03 21:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:50 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 16:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:43 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 18:57 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 19:15 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 19:59 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 20:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 14:22 ` João Távora
2020-04-29 13:12 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 13:42 ` tomas
2020-04-29 13:50 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 17:03 ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-29 19:25 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 17:51 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-29 19:24 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 13:53 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-29 14:01 ` tomas
2020-04-29 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 15:25 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 18:19 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 19:26 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 19:34 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 22:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 22:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-01 3:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-01 3:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-01 15:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-01 16:05 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 7:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 8:06 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 17:08 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-30 19:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-29 17:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-29 19:01 ` tomas
2020-04-29 19:31 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 11:51 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-30 12:38 ` tomas
2020-04-30 17:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 17:53 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:42 ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:41 ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:14 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:58 ` tomas
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2020-04-30 19:33 ` tomas
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2020-04-30 22:46 ` chad
2020-05-02 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
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2020-04-30 22:04 ` Keeping it kind Clément Pit-Claudel
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2020-05-01 8:31 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 2:51 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Richard Stallman
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2020-04-29 13:19 ` Philippe Vaucher
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2020-04-29 13:43 ` Philippe Vaucher
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2020-04-29 15:48 ` Stefan Monnier
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2020-04-29 12:52 ` Adam Porter
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