From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: display.texi: (,) isn't documented. Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:48:24 +1200 Message-ID: <18025.6104.599937.996902@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> References: <20070605231947.GA2058@muc.de> <853b14q351.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <874plkkc3s.fsf@jurta.org> <87sl92q30d.fsf@kfs-lx.testafd.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1181292540 21725 80.91.229.12 (8 Jun 2007 08:49:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , lekktu@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 08 10:48:57 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hwa9R-0007Me-F2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:48:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hwa9R-0002o7-1F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 04:48:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hwa9N-0002np-Fb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 04:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hwa9M-0002n6-5T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 04:48:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hwa9M-0002n1-0w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 04:48:52 -0400 Original-Received: from viper.snap.net.nz ([202.37.101.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hwa9K-0007TE-9R; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 04:48:50 -0400 Original-Received: from kahikatea.snap.net.nz (71.62.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.62.71]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371B93D9A0D; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:48:47 +1200 (NZST) Original-Received: by kahikatea.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 30F8C8F9CE; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:48:25 +1200 (NZST) In-Reply-To: <87sl92q30d.fsf@kfs-lx.testafd.dk> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.1.50.12 X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:72476 Archived-At: > > Maybe this confusion arises from the fact that currently numbers are > > displayed in the order reverse to usual, where the first number in > > a pair of coordinates corresponds to the x-axis (Columns), and second - > > to the y-axis (Lines). > > > > That is a good point. Do people think we should swap them? > > Please don't. > > When I introduced the new (L,C) format, I looked at a number of other > text editors, and they all have line number followed by column number. > So that is the conventional sequence. I agree. It is confusing, but note that order is not reverse to usual because, as David Kastrup pointed out, the 'y' axis points downward. If you think of the display as a matrix, then the conventional order *is* row-column (Aij). However, I think the format should change, because (L,C) looks like a co-ordinate. -- Nick http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob