From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Post-22.1 development? Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:10:16 +1200 Message-ID: <18023.8888.790251.607253@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> References: <878xb05ras.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <864plnorgn.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <85ps4ap0kh.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1181164252 2863 80.91.229.12 (6 Jun 2007 21:10:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 06 23:10:49 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hw2mF-0004uT-Bs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:10:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hw2mE-0003cv-SI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:10:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hw2mA-0003YU-W4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:10:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hw2m8-0003Up-Lt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:10:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hw2m8-0003Uf-G0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:10:40 -0400 Original-Received: from viper.snap.net.nz ([202.37.101.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hw2m4-0003TO-9p; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:10:36 -0400 Original-Received: from kahikatea.snap.net.nz (25.62.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.62.25]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D66E3D8B8D; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:10:29 +1200 (NZST) Original-Received: by kahikatea.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 68BFB8F9CE; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:10:17 +1200 (NZST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.1.50.11 X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:72372 Archived-At: > > What does the feedback consist of? Users saying they wish the GTK > > build were the default? I believe there are some. However, how many > > users said nothing because they are happy that GTK is NOT the default? > > There's a long thread on fedora-devel (Why isn't emacs installed by default) > > I can't read it there, but I would like to know what it says > that is relevant. > > What did people there say about this particular question? > And how many of them supported it? It's a bit rambling, but the relevant part is how Emacs doesn't sit naturally on a modern Desktop. I don't fully understand the issues but Jan D. could probably explain them. This is what Nicolas Mailhot say: > > Can you please explain what you are talking about? By "targets > > 1995-ish desktops," do you mean that emacs lacks pop-up windows, > > icons, menus, and so, on? Or something else you desire? > I mean emacs does not use the current desktop font infrastructure, > does not use one of the main GUI desktop toolkits, does not support > cleanly i18n & our main encoding (UTF-8), does not integrate with the > accessibility infrastructure, does not integrate with the printing > infrastructure, and the list goes on and on. I've not cross-posted, but you could ask him how specifically it could be improved, e.g., I don't know what he means by printing infrastructure. -- Nick http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob