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From: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
To: Emacs-Devel devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Emacs 23 Mac port
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:00:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17C6D301-2E7F-4A12-9016-985E4706E3B6@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87hbfg2e2g.fsf@lifelogs.com>

On Nov 17, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Ted Zlatanov wrote:
> 
> Right, but here we have posts saying your Mac port is much better than
> the NS port.  We should at least consider what's different, how the NS
> port can be improved, and if your Mac port should be reconsidered as the
> main Mac OS X port.  So I asked about the Carbon support because that
> was a concern last time; your response and opinion are, as always,
> greatly appreciated.

Yes, please consider this.

I'm not against it, but I'd like to suggest some mitigation w.r.t. four points:

1. Maintainability:  NS/Cocoa is cleaner code.  It's a cleaner, more modern API.    That's one reason why I like the NS port.

2. GNUStep support.  This might increase the chances of having more people work on it.

3. The existing, very substantial investment in code specific to the NS port (third party).  The 22/Carbon to 23/NS switchover was a major, major shift, with a substantial amount of time being invested in writing C-level and Lisp-level functions.  It is possible that a lot of this (e.g., printing, toolbar customization) can be ported easily to the 24/Appkit, but we don't know that.

4. Lack of integration in Bzr/Git.  Why is this not a branch in the repository?

Especially point 3 is my major concern.  I'd like to support the many users of this code.  A switch to the Appkit port may require such substantial extra work, for little benefit.

There are arguments in favor of the Appkit port, both technically, but also by way of YM supporting and developing it very actively.




  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-17 17:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-20 11:02 Carbon: resizing a frame on wrong "space" David Reitter
2008-02-21  1:13 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-02-28 20:26   ` Harald Maier
2008-02-29  0:15     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-02-29  2:40       ` William Xu
2008-02-29  3:02         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-02-29  3:10           ` William Xu
2008-02-29  3:18             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-02-29  4:55           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-29  8:36             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-02  4:44               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-07  3:46         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-11-27 11:37           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-01-26  4:48             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-03-27  0:28               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-05-13  3:25                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-06-27  5:58                   ` Emacs 22 Carbon+AppKit port (was Re: Carbon: resizing a frame on wrong "space") YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-08-03  2:55                     ` Emacs 22 Carbon+AppKit port YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-08-07 20:41                       ` CHENG Gao
2009-08-29  0:48                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-08-31 17:38                         ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2009-09-01  5:40                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-09-05  2:18                         ` Emacs 22 Carbon+AppKit port and Emacs 23 Mac port YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-09-05  7:47                           ` CHENG Gao
2009-09-05  8:56                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-09-05 11:27                               ` CHENG Gao
2009-09-05 12:15                             ` David Reitter
2009-09-05 12:42                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-09-05 14:35                               ` CHENG Gao
2009-09-05 17:28                                 ` David Reitter
2009-09-08 18:45                                   ` David Reitter
2009-09-08 16:22                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-09  0:26                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-09-05  8:03                           ` CHENG Gao
2009-09-08 10:38                             ` CHENG Gao
2009-09-09  1:04                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-09-10 10:16                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-09-11 18:11                           ` CHENG Gao
2009-09-27  4:23                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-01  4:47                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-12-09 22:08                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-12-31 11:46                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-01-02  1:27                                   ` Leo
2010-01-02  4:21                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-01-02 10:19                                       ` Leo
2010-01-02 15:26                                         ` Leo
2010-01-02 20:56                                   ` Leo
2010-01-03  2:45                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-01-03 11:07                                       ` Leo
2010-01-12  8:16                                       ` Jan Djärv
2010-01-12  9:03                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-01-12  9:28                                           ` Jan Djärv
2010-01-12 10:18                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-01-03 11:07                                               ` bug#5295: 23.1.91; special-event-map bug Leo
2010-01-12 10:19                                                 ` bug#5295: marked as done (23.1.91; special-event-map bug) Emacs bug Tracking System
2010-01-12 14:15                                           ` Emacs 23 Mac port Stefan Monnier
2010-01-12 17:21                                             ` Jan Djärv
2010-01-12 21:22                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-13  7:39                                                 ` Jan D.
2010-01-13 14:38                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-12 23:35                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-01-13  7:43                                               ` Jan D.
2010-01-04  2:08                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-30  4:42                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-02-27  9:19                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-04-03  2:26                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-04-03 14:55                                         ` Leo
2010-04-03 16:07                                           ` Leo
2010-04-04  5:36                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-04-06 13:09                                             ` Leo
2010-04-20  9:08                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-04-20 13:07                                           ` Leo
2010-04-28  8:57                                           ` Leo
2010-04-30  1:21                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-05-04  2:35                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-05-04  3:10                                             ` Leo
2010-05-05  1:09                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-05-05 15:58                                             ` David Reitter
2010-05-06  1:04                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-05-06 16:34                                                 ` covici
2010-05-07  0:33                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-05-06 17:31                                                 ` David Reitter
2010-06-06 18:48                                                   ` John Higgins
2010-06-06 21:28                                                     ` David Reitter
2010-06-07  0:53                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-06-11 21:27                                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2010-11-16  1:25                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-11-16 14:11                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-17 13:44                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-11-17 14:57                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-17 17:00                                                                 ` David Reitter [this message]
2010-05-09  4:45                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-05-29  8:14                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-06-26  3:51                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-31  5:23                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-31 11:36                                                     ` covici
2010-08-05 19:15                                                     ` David Reitter
2010-09-27  8:38                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-09-27  9:24                                                       ` Leo
2010-11-10  8:50                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-11-14 21:47                                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2010-11-15  1:48                                                           ` Leo
2010-11-15  1:52                                                             ` covici
2010-11-15  7:03                                                           ` Chad Brown
2010-11-15 15:23                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-11-17 21:49                                                           ` ken manheimer
2010-11-18 14:35                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-12-01  3:34                                                         ` Leo
2010-12-01 10:43                                                           ` Leo
2010-12-02 10:01                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-12-02 14:52                                                               ` Leo
2010-12-03  4:41                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-12-03  6:34                                                                   ` Leo
2010-12-12  4:41                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-01-15 10:35                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-02-01  9:40                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-02-15  8:04                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-03-10  6:29                                                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-07-23  3:28                                                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-07-26 11:07                                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-08-06  5:55                                                                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-08-06 11:48                                                                       ` Dimitri Fontaine
2011-08-06 13:00                                                                         ` Jan Djärv
2011-08-08  0:08                                                                           ` Alp Aker
2011-08-08  3:37                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-08  4:45                                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-08-08  9:48                                                                             ` Jan Djärv
2011-08-08 13:02                                                                               ` David Reitter
2011-08-08 16:14                                                                                 ` Jan Djärv
2011-08-08 12:59                                                                             ` David Reitter
2011-08-12 16:57                                                                             ` Dimitri Fontaine
2011-08-27  0:52                                                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-09-01  0:42                                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-10-02 12:30                                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-10-06 19:08                                                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-07  0:27                                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-10-07 10:25                                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-17  1:29                                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-10-27  2:46                                                                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-11-28 10:45                                                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2011-11-28 12:06                                                                             ` Carsten Mattner
2011-11-29 18:51                                                                               ` Jan Djärv
2011-11-28 14:58                                                                             ` Xu Xin
2012-01-15  6:07                                                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-01-15 17:29                                                                               ` Xu Xin
2012-01-31  6:52                                                                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-01-31 15:57                                                                                 ` Xu Xin
2012-01-31 19:01                                                                                   ` John Wiegley
2010-03-13  0:16                               ` Emacs 22 Carbon+AppKit port and " YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-03-15 18:12                                 ` Giovanni Lanzani
2010-03-16  0:23                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-01-16 11:32 emacs user
2012-01-16 13:01 ` Leo
2012-01-17  0:49 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-01-17  3:47 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-01-17 10:51   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu

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