From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: GianUberto.Lauri@eng.it (Gian Uberto Lauri) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How old are Emacs users? Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:12:10 -0400 Message-ID: <17976.47194.515114.842666@mail.eng.it> References: <5AFAECBD-683A-4F1D-83B5-6D187F54D05C@Web.DE> Reply-To: saint@eng.it NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1178100775 25966 80.91.229.12 (2 May 2007 10:12:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stein_Arild_Str=F8mme?= To: Peter Dyballa Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 02 12:12:52 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HjBpH-0007Cj-8r for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 12:12:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjBve-0002Pj-DL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 06:19:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HjBuk-0002Mn-LU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 06:18:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HjBui-0002Mb-34 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 06:18:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjBuh-0002MY-Oi for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 06:18:23 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.eng.it ([62.101.90.18] helo=mail.eng.it) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HjBoI-0003X9-BE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 06:11:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.eng.it (dioscuri-posta-gb [192.168.99.21]) by deliver.antivirus (Postfix) with SMTP id D6ADC1801A; Wed, 2 May 2007 12:11:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from gastone (unknown [192.168.22.115]) by mail.eng.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCBB18024; Wed, 2 May 2007 12:11:43 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <5AFAECBD-683A-4F1D-83B5-6D187F54D05C@Web.DE> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.98.1 X-attribution: CC X-Zippy: Yow! Legally-imposed CULTURE-reduction is CABBAGE-BRAINED! X-PMX-Version: 5.3.0.289146 X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43476 Archived-At: >>>>> "PD" =3D=3D Peter Dyballa writes: PD> Am 02.05.2007 um 11:01 schrieb Stein Arild Str=C3=B8mme: >> Were there Meta and Control keys there, or how did we do it=3F Did >> it involve backspacing=3F PD> I don't remember any Escape, Meta, Alt, Control, Shift, or PD> Backspace key on those teletype like IBM keyboards =E2=80=93 how wo= uld you PD> rub out punched holes=3F Of course pick some chaff and a bit of glue. Experienced and careful users used chips with the appropriate coluour and number. "Cut'n'paste" is not a Xerox invention. More seriously: in some 1950 books I readed about blackening out with a pencil the place where a hole should have been. The blackening could be rubbedo out. This made sense where a punched card was a "record" with columns (or groups of or even part of) being "fields". Graphite could be later sensed and use to drive the final punching... When I found the last civil engineering students operating one of those, a typing error meant a wasted card... --=20 /\ =5F=5F=5F /=5F=5F=5F/\=5F|=5F|\=5F|=5F=5F|=5F=5F=5FGian Uberto Lauri=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamico \/ e coltivatore diretto di Software