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[76.168.148.233]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a22-20020a62e216000000b0063b642c5230sm9977229pfi.177.2023.04.19.12.32.07 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Apr 2023 12:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <83lein7m7g.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::634; envelope-from=jporterbugs@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x634.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305458 Archived-At: On 4/19/2023 11:37 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > IMO, downgrading to the bundled version should be much simpler and by > default should remove all the dependencies without asking and without > any need for manual user actions. For what it's worth, Apt (the Debian package manager) works the same way: if you remove a package, it will just inform you that there are unneeded deps and that you can use 'apt autoremove' to clean them up. I think that makes sense, since you might really want the new version of some package, and you just don't realize that it's marked as a dep instead of an explicitly-installed package.