Re: Did something change with respect to Emacs idle loop:

["T. V. Raman" <raman@users.sf.net>]

What you say below helps me understand the hangs in the context
of NFS better, but that problem has been there before I reported
this particular problem.

What I was trying to say was:

The hangs I'm seeing when the new alleged bug bites on my ubuntu
box (where there is no nfs  at  present)
is similar to what I've seen mplayer do on systems that do have
nfs.

The hangs are going away on the ubuntu box the moment I touch the keyboard.

>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
    Richard>     You'll actually see this when mplayer is playing
    Richard> something off of the local disk while emacs is
    Richard> waiting on an nfs disk
    Richard> 
    Richard> Are you saying that the problem ONLY happens when
    Richard> Emacs is waiting for nfs?  I think that's what
    Richard> you're saying, but I'm not 100% sure, and I'd like
    Richard> to make sure there is no misunderstanding.
    Richard> 
    Richard> If that's the situation, I can guess what the
    Richard> problem might be.
    Richard> 
    Richard> Years ago there were uninterruptible waits in NFS
    Richard> code (I am not sure which systems this applied to).
    Richard> That is, a user program (such as Emacs) would do a
    Richard> system call to use NFS, and that system call would
    Richard> wait, and it could not be interrupted until the wait
    Richard> finished.  No signals could be delivered.
    Richard> 
    Richard> If mplayer is trying to output regularly thru a pty
    Richard> to Emacs, Emacs ought to detect the input and read
    Richard> it every so often.  But Emacs can't do that if it is
    Richard> in an uninterruptible wait.  So the output buffer
    Richard> would get full, and then mplayer would hang.
    Richard> 
    Richard> It would be the same if Emacs is computing without
    Richard> waiting for a long time, since Emacs does not read
    Richard> process output while it is computing.  In that case
    Richard> you could fix the problem by calling
    Richard> accept-process-output from time to time.  But if NFS
    Richard> causes an uninterruptible wait, there is nothing
    Richard> Emacs can do about it.
    Richard> 

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