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From: Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Unicode Lisp reader escapes
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:04:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17504.16146.57393.970540@parhasard.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv7j4wwhu5.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>


 Ar an t-ochtú lá de mí Bealtaine, scríobh Stefan Monnier: 

 > > Fread is intended to be called from Lisp (it’s a subr).  Functions called
 > > from Lisp do not need to GCPRO their arguments, because the garbage
 > > collector knows about the arguments, as it knows about all objects
 > > allocated in Lisp.
 > 
 > s/called/callable/

The two are not mutually exclusive :-) . 

 > Are you sure we have such a convention?

That in particular is not really a convention, it’s part of the semantics of
the Lisp implementation. Objects visible to Lisp are visible to the garbage
collector, except in the very specific case where they’re only visible from
weak hash tables. 

 > > C code that calls functions intended to be called from Lisp is optimistic
 > > at best if, without having checked, it relies on the assumption that that
 > > the arguments to those functions will be GCPROed.
 > 
 > As far as I know, the GCPRO convention for arguments is mostly the
 > following:
 > 
 > GCPRO args you pass to functions iff those functions can GC and you need
 > to use the arg after the function returns.

Okay. Do you know of any document detailing that? No-one followed up to my
reference to what Ben Wing writes on the subject. 

-- 
Aidan Kehoe, http://www.parhasard.net/

  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-09  7:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-29 15:35 [PATCH] Unicode Lisp reader escapes Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-29 23:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-04-30  8:26   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-30  3:04 ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-30  8:14   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-30 20:53     ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-30 21:04       ` Andreas Schwab
2006-04-30 21:57         ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-30 22:14           ` Andreas Schwab
2006-05-01 18:32         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-01 19:03           ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-02  4:45             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-02  0:46           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02  6:41           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 21:36             ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-30 21:56       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-01  1:44         ` Miles Bader
2006-05-01  3:12           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-01  3:41             ` Miles Bader
2006-05-01 12:29               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-05 23:15       ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-06 23:36         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09 20:43           ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-11  3:44             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11 12:03               ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-11 13:16                 ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-12  4:15                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-03 18:44                   ` Aidan Kehoe
     [not found]                   ` <17537.54719.354843.89030@parhasard.net>
     [not found]                     ` <ufyieqj0v.fsf@gnu.org>
2006-06-15 18:38                       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-06-17 18:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-06-18 16:11                           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-06-18 19:55                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-06-20  2:37                               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-20 17:56                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-23 18:35                                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-06-24  6:50                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02  6:43 ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02  7:00   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 10:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02 11:13       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 19:31         ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02 20:25           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 22:16             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-02 11:33     ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02 22:50       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-03  7:43         ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-03 17:21         ` Kevin Rodgers
2006-05-03 18:51           ` Andreas Schwab
2006-05-04 21:14             ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08  1:31               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-08  6:54                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 13:55                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-08 14:24                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 15:32                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-08 16:39                       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 17:39                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-09  7:04                           ` Aidan Kehoe [this message]
2006-05-09 19:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-10  6:05                               ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-10 17:49                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-10 21:37                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  3:45                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-10 21:48                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  1:08                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  2:29                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  3:46                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09  0:36                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02 10:36   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02 10:59     ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 19:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-03  2:59     ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-03  8:47       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-03 14:21         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-03 18:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-03 21:12             ` Ken Raeburn
2006-05-04 14:17             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-04 16:41               ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 10:39                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-05 16:35                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 19:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-05 19:20                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 19:57                     ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-06 14:25                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-06 17:26                         ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-07  5:01                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-07  6:38                             ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-07  7:00                               ` David Kastrup
2006-05-07  7:15                                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-07 16:50                             ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 22:28                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-04  1:33           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-04  8:23             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-04 11:57               ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-04 12:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-04 12:21                   ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-04 16:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-04 21:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-05 10:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-05 12:31                         ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 18:08                           ` Stuart D. Herring
2006-05-05 13:05                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-05 17:23                           ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-04 13:07                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-04 16:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-04 20:55               ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05  9:33                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 10:02                   ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 18:33                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 18:42                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 21:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-06 14:24                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-06 15:01                     ` Oliver Scholz
     [not found]                     ` <877j4z5had.fsf@gmx.de>
2006-05-07  5:00                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-07 12:38                         ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-07 21:26                           ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-08  1:14                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-08 22:29                             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09  3:42                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-09 20:41                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09 21:03                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-10  3:33                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-09  5:13                               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-10  3:20                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-10  5:37                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-10  7:22                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-11  3:45                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11 12:41                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-11 12:51                                           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-11 16:46                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-11  3:44                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11  3:44                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11  7:31                                       ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-12  4:14                                         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-12  5:26                                           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-13  4:52                                             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-13 13:25                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-13 20:41                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-14 13:32                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-14 23:29                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-15  0:55                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-15  2:49                                                         ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15  3:27                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-15 10:20                                                             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15 11:12                                                               ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15 20:37                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-16  9:49                                                             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-16 11:16                                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-16 11:39                                                                 ` Romain Francoise
2006-05-16 11:58                                                                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-16 14:24                                                                   ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-17  3:45                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17  8:37                                                                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-17 20:09                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17 12:37                                                                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-19  2:05                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-19  8:47                                                                         ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-18  1:09                                                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-21  0:57                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-22  1:33                                                                         ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-22 15:12                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-23  1:05                                                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-23  5:18                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-24  2:18                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-02  6:49                                                                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-02  8:00                                                                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2006-06-02  9:27                                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2006-06-02 10:50                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-06-02 11:39                                                                                       ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-02 12:12                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2006-06-02 22:39                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-03  6:42                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2006-06-04  2:23                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-05  7:24                                                                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-05 21:31                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-07  1:24                                                                                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-02 22:39                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-24  2:17                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17 15:15                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-17  3:45                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17  3:45                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17  8:53                                                                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-17 20:09                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-18  9:12                                                                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15 20:37                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-15  5:13                                               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-15  8:06                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-15  9:04                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2006-05-15 20:38                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-15 14:08                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-15 20:37                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-16 10:07                                                   ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-18  0:31                                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-11  9:44                                       ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-08  7:36                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-08  7:50                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-05 19:05               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-05 21:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-06 14:25                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-04  1:26         ` Kenichi Handa
     [not found] <E1FaJ0b-0008G8-8u@monty-python.gnu.org>
2006-04-30 21:16 ` Jonathan Yavner
2006-05-01 18:32   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-02  5:03     ` Jonathan Yavner

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