From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Default behaviour of RET. Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1730ebf3-db44-498c-b2a9-4d288d83a946@default> References: <> <<8361sqli02.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1382374932 15439 80.91.229.3 (21 Oct 2013 17:02:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rudalics@gmx.at, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 21 19:02:14 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VYIru-00072k-DD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:02:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40858 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYIrt-0003KT-Ic for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:02:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48002) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYIrh-0003J2-Uc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:02:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYIrZ-00088J-D0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:02:01 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:22178) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYIrQ-00083k-6h; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:01:44 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r9LH1bCY031889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:01:38 GMT Original-Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9LH1Zgo014086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:01:37 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt109.oracle.com (abhmt109.oracle.com [141.146.116.61]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9LH1Ytg001217; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:01:34 GMT In-Reply-To: <<8361sqli02.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164426 Archived-At: > > > I need to customize every programming mode I use to do that. > > > > You do? You can't use `C-j'? >=20 > I can, but it's much less convenient than to use RET. Much less convenient, really? Do you find `C-n' as inconvenient as `C-j', so you customize Emacs to replace `C-n' also? `C-a'? `C-e'? > I want a key that is easily reached and that > performs newline-and-indent. Every modern IDE does that. Emacs does that too, with `C-j'. Easily reached by most, I think. But any user is free to bind some other key for this. If one finds `' or `' (or even `RET') better, then it's easy enough to substitute it. Sorry, I'm with Richard on this one. You seem to be viewing a local mole hill (if even that) from a foreign vantage point and seeing a mountain. `C-j' is a good choice for Emacs, here. Let's keep `RET' for what it does and `C-j' for what it does.