From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ajanta Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Software/HD ecology Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:34:09 GMT Organization: None Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <171220021036551390%ajanta@no.spam> References: <041220020952400758%ajanta@no.spam> <071220021155280606%ajanta@no.spam> <5ld6obj8il.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <091220021652087216%ajanta@no.spam> <111220021101520860%ajanta@no.spam> <111220021253524057%ajanta@no.spam> <5l65u0i8zj.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <111220022053507599%ajanta@no.spam> <87u1hjdwta.fsf@hurd.crasseux.com> <121220021419243187%anil@null.invalid> <84pts1nfs5.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1040143413 15903 80.91.224.249 (17 Dec 2002 16:43:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18OKod-00048M-00 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:43:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18OKlm-0001mO-06 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:40:34 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!207.115.63.142!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssrv26.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.text.tex,gnu.emacs.help Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Thoth/1.5.10 (Carbon/OS X) Original-Lines: 21 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.37.188.63 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net Original-X-Trace: newssrv26.news.prodigy.com 1040146449 ST000 67.37.188.63 (Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:34:09 CST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:34:09 CST X-UserInfo1: SCSYQN_@FS@QBQLXBBN@^RLBPJ]TPUDO@HTHOCULF@^PGDTFOG[]FH_[JTXDX_KI\VB]JBVMS^YT_G[CZVWAOS\DHFWEH]@KGXYHB\_CMDSFABP^J[AHHRKARLE_JDBLJ\XA[JRMEI]MGJSPB\Y]^KG\@S^@VQKI_Q[G@@_ACSARASDEFLBJ]S\GFNTUAVBL Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu comp.sys.mac.apps:349126 gnu.emacs.help:108221 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:4750 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:4750 Kai Großjohann wrote: > Ajanta writes: > > > When I run a command like "ls -l file" I can get a lot of information > > about a file's type, size, ownership, date created/modified. Whether > > that qualifies as a "log" to somebody or not is a rather dull semantic > > issue. The system does store and update information on files. > > The "ownership" does NOT tell you whether the file belongs to Emacs or > to another program. (At least, not in general.) > So you need something in addition to the "log" that comes standard > with Unix. Yes I do understand that this does not come standard with unix. The discussion was about the desirability for it to be so. There was a suggestion that an extention of ls would be a logical choice; the system would of course have to log/record some extra information in addition to what it already does . However, some people felt this was a good opportunity to start arguing over the word "log". A