From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: tooltip-use-echo-area disappeared Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:42:08 +1200 Message-ID: <17075.56928.804720.54251@farnswood.snap.net.nz> References: <429EBEBF.4080005@gnu.org> <17054.53387.737275.879063@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <1117715090.429efa926ded0@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <17055.728.887711.842945@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <42AD7E51.4000506@gnu.org> <17069.62614.145616.263552@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17070.23884.564148.959259@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17071.19762.509791.894078@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17073.17279.786889.746162@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17074.23190.437628.941264@farnswood.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1119085967 15240 80.91.229.2 (18 Jun 2005 09:12:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 09:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 18 11:12:38 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DjZNT-0006kY-Ja for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 11:12:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DjZTF-00036i-Vg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 05:18:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DjZGt-0006vf-5t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 05:05:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DjZFn-0006QK-2Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 05:05:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DjZFE-0005lH-4x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 05:04:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [202.37.101.8] (helo=viper.snap.net.nz) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DjYuM-0007Z0-Sw; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 04:42:31 -0400 Original-Received: from farnswood.snap.net.nz (p75-tnt1.snap.net.nz [202.124.110.75]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F5E53E83A; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:40:17 +1200 (NZST) Original-Received: by farnswood.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 501) id 86B5162A99; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 09:42:09 +0100 (BST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.50.72 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:39064 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:39064 Richard Stallman writes: > > I must be confused. If that feature exists, doesn't tooltip-use-echo-area > > control whether to enable it? > > That is one way, but not the only one. > > What is the interface you recommend, to control this? To display help tooltips in the echo area turn `tooltip-mode' off. To display GUD tooltips in the echo area turn `gud-tooltip-mode' on and set `gud-tooltip-echo-area' to t. This sounds more complicated, but displaying help text in the echo area shouldn't require tooltips. It a text property like mouse-face. Using tooltip-use-echo-area invokes tooltip-show with its delays etc unnecessarily. In contrast displaying GUD tooltip text in the echo area does require the gud-tooltip machinery (like track-mouse) because text properties aren't involved. Nick