From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: mouse-1-click-follows-link Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 21:55:22 +1200 Message-ID: <17066.46346.199146.88972@farnswood.snap.net.nz> References: <17066.8325.936620.610082@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <874qc5y7tn.fsf@wigwam.deepwood.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118484399 24241 80.91.229.2 (11 Jun 2005 10:06:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 11 12:06:38 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dh2sX-0002xQ-8d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 12:06:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dh2vN-0001Gk-Kg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 06:09:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dh2uD-0001Fg-Fh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 06:07:58 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Dh2uA-0001EV-5t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 06:07:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dh2u9-0001ES-T6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 06:07:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [202.37.101.8] (helo=viper.snap.net.nz) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dh2h9-0008Ld-Kp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 05:54:28 -0400 Original-Received: from farnswood.snap.net.nz (p60-tnt1.snap.net.nz [202.124.110.60]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A0A53B0B8; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 21:53:49 +1200 (NZST) Original-Received: by farnswood.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 501) id E80D062A99; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:55:22 +0100 (BST) Original-To: Daniel Brockman In-Reply-To: <874qc5y7tn.fsf@wigwam.deepwood.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.50.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38566 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38566 > Most mice these days seem to come with two proper buttons and a > clickable scroll wheel. On these devices, you usually need to _click_ > the scroll wheel to generate a mouse-2 event. This is often much more > difficult than clicking two ordinary buttons simultaneously. > > I currently don't have a mouse, but when I do use one I generally > don't use it for moving around in the buffer a lot. I do tend to use > it to follow links such as URLs and those in Customize buffers. Perhaps this is an argument for using mouse-1 just in those situations i.e generally where text is underlined, if possible (the Help buffer is another example) > Besides, most buffers don't have a high link density, so you can > usually just click next to one and then move point into place using > the keyboard. Dragging works as usual in any case. Some like grep, seem to cover a lot of the buffer. I'm not saying that you can't get round it, just that it requires thought. > > I was constantly going places that I didn't want to go and I find > > the old behaviour a lot easier. > > I suspect most people who feel like you will instantly realize that > they liked the old behavior better, type C-h n and search for `mouse'. > This will immediately give clues about how to switch back. > > On the other hand, many people new to Emacs will not even attempt to > click the scroll wheel to follow a link. (Even given the tooltip.) > After seeing that nothing happens when you click links using mouse-1, > people will conclude that Emacs does not support clickable links. If they are able to to find mouse-1-click-follows-link in the manual then clicking on the scroll wheel shouldn't be too difficult. > I guess what I'm trying to say is that I really think the current > default is the most useful and reasonable, _especially_ to newcomers, > but also to lots of experienced people (myself included). You have expressed your preference but I'm not sure that it generalises to others. Nick