From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: lamers on IRC Date: Fri, 27 May 2022 22:12:50 -0700 Message-ID: <16f2cb65bb864c384bd25d8b45b59d03@basiscraft.com> References: <87wnedb6xe.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87o7zox6w4.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87pmk1b5ot.fsf@dataswamp.org> <9109efc3-0d1d-4d21-8160-24da6f7cd256@www.fastmail.com> <87bkvj9fr7.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87ee0eselt.fsf@dataswamp.org> <5b08e28cbbd8e3c63febe68ead319316@basiscraft.com> <87k0a68eyl.fsf@dataswamp.org> <875ylq8dev.fsf@dataswamp.org> <2a7698a89c8e34126dbc7e357feea8e0@basiscraft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8939"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.17 Cc: help-gnu-emacs To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 28 07:13:56 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nuolv-000299-Vf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 May 2022 07:13:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45732 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nuolu-0004lp-Dn for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 May 2022 01:13:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41144) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nuokx-0004kw-5r; Sat, 28 May 2022 01:12:55 -0400 Original-Received: from c.mail.sonic.net ([64.142.111.80]:60688) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nuokv-0000Ew-Fm; Sat, 28 May 2022 01:12:54 -0400 Original-Received: from webmail.sonic.net (webmail.a.apps.sonic.net [64.142.109.105]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPA id 24S5Co9W001443; Fri, 27 May 2022 22:12:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: <2a7698a89c8e34126dbc7e357feea8e0@basiscraft.com> X-Sonic-Auth: O9Okxpg50tuHRLM0lUurwiga2rteNSMd+UJQdC3WFYE9fW4fiwPfXSssgBhaBsdzjeEi/9YtE3/uNp/uyMs0hDxMW0ErLkpJJXMf8BS75hQ= X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVYPtNGaEm95GJqea4F14h7JSIceusiQywVSFhpv6E2bFsOmi3U+3U5V34xR+nVl/bXWKJKnw3X7FtOFE4BNISRYww1XA9MfkzM= X-Sonic-ID: C;tpdQ0kTe7BG3u+aMi47k/A== M;YjtW0kTe7BG3u+aMi47k/A== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: -0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Received-SPF: none client-ip=64.142.111.80; envelope-from=lord@basiscraft.com; helo=c.mail.sonic.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137443 Archived-At: FWIW, a modern, p2p, group-structured system with at least pictures, short video/audio, very basic hypertext etc... appeals to me as a way to try to help free people from untrustworthy social media because I think it spans a nice range of use cases. For example, there could be some hubs that aggregate real climate scientists, or real music experts, or whatever -- and "everyone" would want to get groups from those big dogs and in the same system, local (geographic or logical "local") backwaters could exist. PLUS - and this is big - it would create a symbiotic IRL social network among hosts and users. That, not the details of history, is my main point. I'm not just being nostalgic (I think / hope). -t On 2022-05-27 22:04, Thomas Lord wrote: >> Uhm, "upstream host", is that another computer that receives >> to the same feed as you so thus gets your posts or what is it? > > > Example from real life. In high school I interned at a dinky little > start-up that was a net-news edge node. The system administrators > at that little company set up an internal net news host the same way > someone might bring in an old ping pong table - to improve the work > environment. > > That company dialed out to a more established company down the > road that, as a regional industry courtesy, not only hosted its > own internal net news host but connected to even bigger fish > upstream and casually offered peering to local small companies. > > >>> Google used its economic power and social influence to first >>> centralize what was left of mainstream netnews and then to >>> kill it off. >> >> Well, you can tune into nntp.aioe.org with Gnus this very >> instant and see how useful it is. But killed - no. > > Yes, I am being a bit absolutist there. > > I suppose to be a little more accurate I would say that they > killed it as a way of sharing groups that had developed into > widely used global connected social media (relative to the scales of > its > day). > > To be sure, the not-really-multi-media email-style message format > didn't exactly help sustain interested in net news. > > -t