From: "grischka" <grishka@gmx.de>
To: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Scrollbar thumbs
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:32:08 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <16F8B7E14CB049B9A860B703B0776C3F@editkapc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv639t6moo.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
>> I guess it is just that these GUI toolkit people usually are trained to
>> deliver good looking and pixel-precise artwork and in consequence might have
>> some difficulties to imagine how it can be "pretty much impossibe" for some
>> editor to know how many lines it is actually displaying (or anyway that such
>> editor would still want to use their scrollbars).
>
> No, sadly, it is really due to dogma: your above explanation would make
> perfect sense, but in practice, even after showing them our problem,
> they still insist that it would be wrong for them to remove the chunks
> of code that enforce the "scrollbar metaphor" by preventing the client
> from getting the events that indicate that the user wants to move the
> thumb's bottom further down than the scrollbar's own bottom.
I don't see any dogma beyond the dogma of consistent design which is not
something a toolkit designer can be blamed for.
Also by saying "our problem" you already realized that is your problem
and not theirs. In a free world, why should they cripple their code
just to save you from having to find the right solution within your own
program. That would be two times wrong.
--- grischka
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-03 0:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-02 10:41 Scrollbar thumbs (was: Customizing the mode line) grischka
2009-11-02 11:21 ` Scrollbar thumbs Miles Bader
2009-11-03 0:48 ` grischka
2009-11-03 9:27 ` David Kastrup
2009-11-04 0:09 ` Miles Bader
2009-11-04 9:51 ` grischka
2009-11-04 11:18 ` joakim
2009-11-04 19:29 ` Jan Djärv
2009-11-04 20:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-05 1:18 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-09 23:14 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-05 9:23 ` Jan D.
2009-11-05 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-05 15:16 ` grischka
2009-11-05 15:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-05 15:35 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-05 16:07 ` David Kastrup
2009-11-05 23:55 ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-06 0:31 ` Miles Bader
2009-11-06 3:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-06 4:37 ` Miles Bader
2009-11-06 8:42 ` David Kastrup
2009-11-06 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-02 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 0:32 ` grischka [this message]
2009-11-03 1:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 5:37 ` grischka
2009-11-03 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 21:10 ` grischka
2009-11-03 23:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 10:02 ` joakim
2009-11-05 9:21 ` Jan D.
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-07 11:50 grischka
2009-11-07 16:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-07 17:47 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-03 16:36 grischka
2009-11-03 17:13 ` David Kastrup
2009-10-30 11:18 Customizing the mode line Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-30 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-10-31 6:09 ` Manoj Srivastava
2009-10-31 20:38 ` Scrollbar thumbs (was: Customizing the mode line) Stefan Monnier
2009-11-01 3:11 ` Scrollbar thumbs Miles Bader
2009-11-02 6:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-02 7:41 ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-02 14:10 ` Stefan Monnier
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