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From: "grischka" <grishka@gmx.de>
To: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Scrollbar thumbs
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:32:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <16F8B7E14CB049B9A860B703B0776C3F@editkapc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv639t6moo.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

>> I guess it is just that these GUI toolkit people usually are trained to
>> deliver good looking and pixel-precise artwork and in consequence might have
>> some difficulties to imagine how it can be "pretty much impossibe" for some
>> editor to know how many lines it is actually displaying (or anyway that such
>> editor would still want to use their scrollbars).
> 
> No, sadly, it is really due to dogma: your above explanation would make
> perfect sense, but in practice, even after showing them our problem,
> they still insist that it would be wrong for them to remove the chunks
> of code that enforce the "scrollbar metaphor" by preventing the client
> from getting the events that indicate that the user wants to move the
> thumb's bottom further down than the scrollbar's own bottom.

I don't see any dogma beyond the dogma of consistent design which is not 
something a toolkit designer can be blamed for.

Also by saying "our problem" you already realized that is your problem 
and not theirs.  In a free world, why should they cripple their code 
just to save you from having to find the right solution within your own
program.  That would be two times wrong.

--- grischka





  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-03  0:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-02 10:41 Scrollbar thumbs (was: Customizing the mode line) grischka
2009-11-02 11:21 ` Scrollbar thumbs Miles Bader
2009-11-03  0:48   ` grischka
2009-11-03  9:27     ` David Kastrup
2009-11-04  0:09     ` Miles Bader
2009-11-04  9:51       ` grischka
2009-11-04 11:18         ` joakim
2009-11-04 19:29           ` Jan Djärv
2009-11-04 20:57             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-05  1:18               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-09 23:14                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-05  9:23               ` Jan D.
2009-11-05 13:59                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-05 15:16               ` grischka
2009-11-05 15:32                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-05 15:35                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-05 16:07                 ` David Kastrup
2009-11-05 23:55                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-06  0:31                     ` Miles Bader
2009-11-06  3:10                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-06  4:37                       ` Miles Bader
2009-11-06  8:42                     ` David Kastrup
2009-11-06  8:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-02 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03  0:32   ` grischka [this message]
2009-11-03  1:18     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03  5:37       ` grischka
2009-11-03 13:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 21:10           ` grischka
2009-11-03 23:00             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 10:02   ` joakim
2009-11-05  9:21     ` Jan D.
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-07 11:50 grischka
2009-11-07 16:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-07 17:47   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-03 16:36 grischka
2009-11-03 17:13 ` David Kastrup
2009-10-30 11:18 Customizing the mode line Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-30 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-10-31  6:09   ` Manoj Srivastava
2009-10-31 20:38     ` Scrollbar thumbs (was: Customizing the mode line) Stefan Monnier
2009-11-01  3:11       ` Scrollbar thumbs Miles Bader
2009-11-02  6:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-02  7:41           ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-02 14:10             ` Stefan Monnier

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