From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Aidan Kehoe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Aquamacs distro for OS X like behavior Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:25:20 +0200 Message-ID: <16977.34448.308769.725574@parhasard.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112643026 12126 80.91.229.2 (4 Apr 2005 19:30:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Reitter , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 04 21:30:23 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DIXGX-0004ms-Hi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:29:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DIWpI-000625-0g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:01:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DIVoQ-0006lQ-4h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:56:34 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DIVoM-0006jR-P8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:56:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DIVoM-0006j2-Ng for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:56:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [69.93.255.210] (helo=addict.virtualprozac.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DIWGX-0004wb-9a; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:25:37 -0400 Original-Received: by addict.virtualprozac.com (Postfix, from userid 1005) id B4345726B5; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:25:20 +0100 (IST) Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 17) "Jumbo Shrimp" XEmacs Lucid X-Echelon-distraction: Rojdykarna 22nd SAS KWR-46 CIS Marc Rich SNT X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35558 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35558 Ar an ceathr=C3=BA l=C3=A1 de m=C3=AD Aibr=C3=A9an, scr=C3=ADobh David K= astrup:=20 > [...] Should one make people abandon Emacs that have been using it for= 20 > years, so that a newcomer will take an hour instead of half an hour > before giving up on it? That=E2=80=99s a false dichotomy; people who have been using some form of= Emacs for twenty years are informed enough to be able to configure their way around the new defaults. New users, very much less so. > In addition, catering to the idiosyncrasies of a specific platform lik= e > MacOSX is a lot of work if you want to keep Emacs fully functional and > reasonably consistent (where appropriate) across platforms. Certainly, but most of the work should be up-front--assuming stuff like cua-mode keeps respecting the Apple key--and they=E2=80=99re volunteering= to do it. And, given that Andrew Choi is gone, and the Carbon port is very much alive, it seems there is and will be a decent userbase prepared to support GNU Emacs on that platform.=20 > [snipping stuff on the GUI development of GNU Emacs and the package li= st > of this package, neither of which I have much interest in.] --=20 =E2=80=9CI, for instance, am gung-ho about open source because my family = is being held hostage in Rob Malda=E2=80=99s basement. But who fact-checks me, or = Enderle, when we say something in public? No-one!=E2=80=9D -- Danny O=E2=80=99Brie= n