From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q' Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:06:35 -0800 Message-ID: <16830A0626EC45A3802C0558965B1791@us.oracle.com> References: <878vjj2b3t.fsf@gmx.li> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1330708114 25210 80.91.229.3 (2 Mar 2012 17:08:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:08:34 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Lawrence Mitchell'" , <10929@debbugs.gnu.org> Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 02 18:08:32 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vy1-0006PZ-Os for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:08:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35994 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vy1-00082O-2n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:08:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46160) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vxt-00081y-Js for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:08:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3VxZ-0005zy-K3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:08:21 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:52121) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3VxZ-0005zm-HH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:08:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S3VxZ-0007RA-TO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:08:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10929 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 10929-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10929.133070804928544 (code B ref 10929); Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:08:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 10929) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2012 17:07:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58953 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vx1-0007QA-H6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:07:28 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:47486) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vwo-0007PV-WB for 10929@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:07:16 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q22H6fO2023030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:06:42 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q22H6eYH014053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:06:41 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt109.oracle.com (abhmt109.oracle.com [141.146.116.61]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q22H6eFC031451; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 11:06:40 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.43.213) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:06:40 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <878vjj2b3t.fsf@gmx.li> Thread-Index: Acz4lffpzmKBCn2WTsulWjsq0u8e4gAAGKQw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4F50FE23.0004,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:57437 Archived-At: > The autoloads for cl functions/macros are in > cl-loaddefs.el. When you load cl.el it loads > cl-loaddefs.el autoloading additional names without > loading the files immediately. Yes, I know all that. But thanks anyway - I probably wasn't clear enough. My question really is, I guess, whether users should be able to get help about such macros without first loading cl.el. Autoloading has a couple different (but related) purposes. One of them helps Emacs be the self-documenting editor it claims to be.