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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255174 Archived-At: >=20 > I propose to consider if any of these are suitable for inclusion: >=20 > - scroll-conservatively, visible-bell > - desktop-save-mode, savehist-mode, save-place-mode, midnight-mode, = uniquify > - auto-image-file-mode, display-time-mode, show-paren-mode > - (f)ido-mode, company-mode >=20 > It's a slippery slope, but if done carefully one could perhaps add = just > a few more things without weighing it down too much. Taking out the > toggle to disable the menu bar and tool bar would save some space. >=20 What I included in the guide is just for example. I was hoping to get = some feedback on reddit about the real struggle of beginners. Then we = know what they really need. Yuan=