no offense, but what's up with the German political ranting & raving?

no offense, but what's up with the German political ranting & raving?

[Joe Corneli]

They don't seem to be selling anything; they don't seem to be trying
to send viri...  and they don't seem to be talking about Emacs. So
why are they posting here?  Any one know what's up with this new
flava' of spam (or should I say -- wienerschnitzel? ;)).

Re: no offense, but what's up with the German political ranting & raving?

[Carsten Weinberg]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:54:02 -0500
Joe Corneli <jcorneli@math.utexas.edu> wrote:

> They don't seem to be selling anything; they don't seem to be trying
> to send viri...  and they don't seem to be talking about Emacs. So
> why are they posting here?  Any one know what's up with this new
> flava' of spam (or should I say -- wienerschnitzel? ;)).

first they hijacked some mailing hosts, then they manipulated sober virus. 
These *nationalist* dudes aren't aware that they damage the reputation 
of the German Nation as an whole.

Re: no offense, but what's up with the German political ranting & raving?

[Gian Uberto Lauri]

>>>>> "CW" == Carsten Weinberg <cweinberg@freenet.de> writes:

CW> first they hijacked some mailing hosts, then they manipulated sober virus. 
CW> These *nationalist* dudes aren't aware that they damage the reputation 
CW> of the German Nation as an whole.

Don't  worry. I  think that  the wole  world knows,  trust  and esteem
German people and know these deraged idiots are an exception.

I  had  a very  nice  trip  in Germany  last  year  mostly due  people
niceness. It  could have  been impossible if  these idiots were  not a
rare, noisy, exception.

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no offense, but what's up with the German political ranting & raving?

[Gian Uberto Lauri]

>>>>> "JC" == Joe Corneli <jcorneli@math.utexas.edu> writes:

JC> flava' of spam (or should I say -- wienerschnitzel? ;)).

I think they are craking servers to pour their political delirium
on the net.

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Re: no offense, but what's up with the German political ranting & raving?

[EScott]

No offense?  Major offense!  I'll have you know that wienerschnitzel are in
my opinion ausgezeichnet!  ;).  Let's just call it baloney!

As far as the political stuff is concerned, I agree.  Inappropriate here,
and probably anywhere.  Looks like attempts to aggravate the hard feelings
between some Germans and certain immigrants, mainly Turks.

G. Eric Scott
Senior Analyst, Software Development
New York Independent System Operator
187 Wolf Rd.
Albany, NY 12205

(518) 356 7635
escott@nyiso.com


                                                                           
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They don't seem to be selling anything; they don't seem to be trying
to send viri...  and they don't seem to be talking about Emacs. So
why are they posting here?  Any one know what's up with this new
flava' of spam (or should I say -- wienerschnitzel? ;)).


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moderators for GNU lists (Re: no offense, but what's up with the German political ranting & raving?)

[Joe Corneli]

OK, well this just reaffirms for me that the GNU 'mailing
lists'=='newsgroups' should be moderated.  I was thinking that a
system whereby anyone who was subscribed to the mailing list could
also sign up for the power to clear any message for posting to the
list.  There could be a simple web interface to see which messages
were in the queue.  It would then be posted to the list with an
additional header item

Cleared-by: Jane Q Hacker (jqh@hotmail.com)
Moderator-score: 3

If Jane happens to clear something questionable (Nigerian scams,
German propaganda, sexdrugs, ...), there should be an easy way to
take away her moderator power, presumably by using some "democratic"
ranking mechanism.  More steps could be taken to quell bogosity, but
I guess you see the idea.

Re: moderators for GNU lists (Re: no offense, but what's up with the German political ranting & raving?)

[EScott]

I don't see enough bogus messages to justify a large effort.  If they get
more frequent or more objectionable I would agree, and would be prepared to
participate in moderation of the list.

G. Eric Scott
Senior Analyst, Software Development
New York Independent System Operator
187 Wolf Rd.
Albany, NY 12205

(518) 356 7635
escott@nyiso.com

help-gnu-emacs-bounces+escott=nyiso.com@gnu.org wrote on 06/21/2004
09:09:01 AM:

> OK, well this just reaffirms for me that the GNU 'mailing
> lists'=='newsgroups' should be moderated.  I was thinking that a
> system whereby anyone who was subscribed to the mailing list could
> also sign up for the power to clear any message for posting to the
> list.  There could be a simple web interface to see which messages
> were in the queue.  It would then be posted to the list with an
> additional header item
>
> Cleared-by: Jane Q Hacker (jqh@hotmail.com)
> Moderator-score: 3
>
> If Jane happens to clear something questionable (Nigerian scams,
> German propaganda, sexdrugs, ...), there should be an easy way to
> take away her moderator power, presumably by using some "democratic"
> ranking mechanism.  More steps could be taken to quell bogosity, but
> I guess you see the idea.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs

Re: moderators for GNU lists (Re: no offense, but what's up with the German political ranting & raving?)

[Joe Corneli]

   I don't see enough bogus messages to justify a large effort.  

I think they were really bad about a couple of months ago.  The
German stuff is unlikely to get caught by any kind of spam filter.
I think it demonstrates that _if_ the lists are going to be
moderated, they are going to have to be hand-moderated.

To me it isn't the quantity of spam that _I_ see that's the big
concern, its the free multi-plexing, whereby each spammer who posts
to this list gets their message delivered to 100's of people around
the world.  Take your distraction and multiply it by a big number,
that's the actual cost of spam on this list.

Some of the other GNU lists (e.g. gnu-emacs-sources) are far less
readable, because of a much greater prevalence of spam.



   If they get more frequent or more objectionable I would agree,
   and would be prepared to participate in moderation of the list.

Re: moderators for GNU lists (Re: no offense, but what's up with the German political ranting & raving?)

[EScott]

Joe Corneli <jcorneli@math.utexas.edu> wrote on 06/21/2004 11:33:38 AM:

>    I don't see enough bogus messages to justify a large effort.
>
> I think they were really bad about a couple of months ago.  The
> German stuff is unlikely to get caught by any kind of spam filter.
> I think it demonstrates that _if_ the lists are going to be
> moderated, they are going to have to be hand-moderated.
>
I agree that hand-moderating is the way to go.

> To me it isn't the quantity of spam that _I_ see that's the big
> concern, its the free multi-plexing, whereby each spammer who posts
> to this list gets their message delivered to 100's of people around
> the world.  Take your distraction and multiply it by a big number,
> that's the actual cost of spam on this list.

I agree that giving the bad guys a free ride is not good.  I had not
considered the multiplier effect, either.  You could probably talk me into
changing my mind on that basis.

>
> Some of the other GNU lists (e.g. gnu-emacs-sources) are far less
> readable, because of a much greater prevalence of spam.
>
>
>

Re: moderators for GNU lists (Re: no offense, but what's up with the German political ranting & raving?)

[Joe Corneli]

The Craigslist forums (http://www.craigslist.org) are democratically
moderated.  Their software currently isn't free, but they might be
willing to release it to the public at some point, especially if
there was a show of interest by the free software community.  A few
modifications, and you'd have something super. Or write something
similar from scratch. Another possibility might be Gmane.  I
personally think it would be nice to get something implemented...

Joe

Re: no offense, but what's up with the German political ranting & raving?

[Carsten Weinberg]

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:54:03 +0200
GianUberto.Lauri@eng.it (Gian Uberto Lauri) wrote:

> Don't  worry. I  think that  the wole  world knows,  trust  and esteem
> German people and know these deraged idiots are an exception.
> 
> I  had  a very  nice  trip  in Germany  last  year  mostly due  people
> niceness. It  could have  been impossible if  these idiots were  not a
> rare, noisy, exception.

Thanks a lot!
Grazie tanto!

-Carsten