bug#56695: AW: bug#56695: A new and old font problem with Arabic

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Try the Amiri font, I'm told it is OK.  But you need to set that up in
the fontset; do not use Amiri as your default font.

I've installed Amiri. And it was used as default for Arabic ('emacs -Q'). Is this normal? 

Anyway, I get the same positioning problem of the characters. But as I said I can't reproduce it. If I copy the same text into another frame the characters are displayed correctly.  

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About the other problem:
Is it possible to force Emacs to use 'DejaVu Sans Mono' for Arabic? As I said, it was always without any problems in Emacs.
(Amiri isn't a monospace font.)



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Betreff: Re: bug#56695: A new and old font problem with Arabic
Datum: 2022-07-22T16:18:59+0200
Von: "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>
An: "fr_ml@t-online.de" <fr_ml@t-online.de>

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> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 15:41:05 +0200 (CEST)
> From: "fr_ml@t-online.de" <fr_ml@t-online.de>
> 
> > 1. I can't change the Arabic characters to the font of DejaVu Sans
> > > Mono (or others). This wasn't a problem before.
> > 
> > What do you mean by "cannot change"?  What happens if you try?  Please
> > show the exact sequence of commands or Lisp code you used, and any
> > error messages or incorrect effects you see when you do that.
> I use the mouse with left click to chose  'Change Buffer Font'.
> I don't get any error message. Just: "Buffer-Face mode enabled".
> The Latin letters get their new font, but the Arabic ones don't.

This is not a bug: if the font you choose cannot support Arabic, Emacs
will fall back to the setup in the current fontset.  In general,
selecting a font only affects ASCII characters; it affects non-ASCII
characters only if the font can display them properly.

> > > Can Harfbuzz be a problem? In the older emacs version (maybe 3 or 4 years ago?) I never had these
> > > problems.
> > 
> > I don't know, because critical information is missing:
> > 
> >   . on what OS is that?
> Linux. I've tried Ubuntu and Arch.
> >   . what is the version of HarfBuzz you have installed?
> harfbuzz 4.4.1-1 
> >   . what is the text that is not displayed correctly? (please provide
> >     it as plain text that can be copied and examined, not as an image)
> Sorry. I forgot:
> (
> a-b-c-d
> 1234567
> س-س-س-س
> 1234567
> )

I don't think HarfBuzz is a problem in your case, but the font
probably is.

> >   . what does Emacs say when you go to the characters involved in this
> >     display and type "C-u C-x ="?
> Before changing the font:
> 
> position: 23 of 32 (69%), column: 6
> character: س‎ (displayed as س‎) (codepoint 1587, #o3063, #x633)
> charset: unicode (Unicode (ISO10646))
> code point in charset: 0x0633
> script: arabic
> syntax: w 	which means: word
> category: .:Base, R:Strong R2L, b:Arabic
> to input: type "C-x 8 RET 633" or "C-x 8 RET ARABIC LETTER SEEN"
> buffer code: #xD8 #xB3
> file code: #xD8 #xB3 (encoded by coding system utf-8-unix)
> display: by this font (glyph code):
> ftcrhb:-1ASC-Droid Serif-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x0E)

So Emacs uses the Droid Serif font for Arabic, and I guess that's the
problem.

> 
> Character code properties: customize what to show
>   name: ARABIC LETTER SEEN
>   general-category: Lo (Letter, Other)
>   decomposition: (1587) ('س')
> ----
> After changing, or trying to change it:I get exactly the same output.
> 
> > 
> > In general DejaVu Sans is known as a problematic font for complex text
> > shaping (which is required for Arabic), so my advice is to use some
> > other font as the default.
> DejaVu Sans Mono was always ok. And often I need a monospaced font - do you know another one for Arabic?

Try the Amiri font, I'm told it is OK.  But you need to set that up in
the fontset; do not use Amiri as your default font.


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