Re: What OS is used By Richard Stallman

Re: What OS is used By Richard Stallman

[microsoft gaofei]

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html    . You said, some private software is also free and isn't released to public domain. Can that be free and closed-source at the same time?

Re: What OS is used By Richard Stallman

[Brett Gilio]

On 09/24/2018 11:42 PM, microsoft gaofei wrote:
> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html    . You said, some private software is also free and isn't released to public domain. Can that be free and closed-source at the same time?

No. By the four software freedoms, one must be able to modify the code 
of any piece of free software. This requires the code in its original, 
unobfuscated non-binary form. When RMS says that software may be private 
and free, he likely means that it can be developed by a private business 
for industry. But, again, for it to be free it must retain the four 
essential freedoms.


https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html


Best,


Brett

Re: What OS is used By Richard Stallman

[Van L]

> public domain

I believe that term has been 
weasel worded and lawyeringly put to death and 
does not mean strictly what ordinary 
people walking their dog at the park loosely 
take it to innocently mean (IANAL).

Re: What OS is used By Richard Stallman

[Richard Stallman]

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  > https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html . You said, some
  > private software is also free and isn't released to public
  > domain.

It is free, and it is not released _at all_.  (That's what "private"
means.)

	    Can that be free and closed-source at the same time?

I don't care much what is or isn't open source.  For why I don't care,
see https://gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html.

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[Richard Stallman]

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  > Should we pronounce the slash in GNU/Linux?

It is best to do so.  "GNU Linux" would mean something different.

See https://gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html, plus the history in
https://gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html.

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Re: What OS is used By Richard Stallman

[Emanuel Berg]

Richard Stallman wrote:

> It is best to do so. "GNU Linux" would mean
> something different.

Interesting - what would that be, exactly?
A Linux fork (kernel fork) developed and
sanctioned by the GNU project?

Perhaps not such a bad idea, only I take it it
has been considered at some point?

Even so, wouldn't the correct designation -
correct by the GNU standards - still
be "GNU GNU/Linux"?

Or GNU² Linux, pronounced "Gnu Square Linux" :)

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Re: ç­”å¤ : What OS is used By Richard Stallman

[Yuri Khan]

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:17 AM Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:

>   > Should we pronounce the slash in GNU/Linux?
>
> It is best to do so.  "GNU Linux" would mean something different.

I [always?] took the slash to be pronounced “over” as in fractions.
Makes it look like a stack — GNU userland over Linux kernel.

Re: ç­”å¤ : What OS is used By Richard Stallman

[Richard Stallman]

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  > I [always?] took the slash to be pronounced “over” as in fractions.
  > Makes it look like a stack — GNU userland over Linux kernel.

Interesting interpretation, but it isn't what I have in mind.
"GNU/Linux" is intended to mean the GNU system with Linux.
"GNU+Linux" and "GNU-Linux" are also reasonable ways to write that.

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Re: ç­”å¤ : What OS is used By Richard Stallman

[Van L]

> "GNU/Linux" is intended to mean the GNU system with Linux.
> "GNU+Linux" and "GNU-Linux" are also reasonable ways to write that.

"GNU/.Linux" or "GNU/.NetBSD" or "GNU/.Lisp" makes sense for those who care to look under the hood.

Re: ç­”å¤ : What OS is used By Richard Stallman

[Emanuel Berg]

Van L wrote:

>> "GNU/Linux" is intended to mean the GNU
>> system with Linux. "GNU+Linux" and
>> "GNU-Linux" are also reasonable ways to
>> write that.
>
> "GNU/.Linux" or "GNU/.NetBSD" or "GNU/.Lisp"
> makes sense for those who care to look under
> the hood.

Shouldn't it be "Linux+GNU" then as Linux is
the kernel and GNU a large part of the rest of
the software, that is closer to the user?

OTOH many people are using Emacs, gcc etc to
develop/modify Linux so I suppose it is
a chicken or egg discussion.

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