RE: Olt/New Emacs 21 style -- any replies?

RE: Olt/New Emacs 21 style -- any replies?

[Bruce Korb]

This far I know:

  (menu-bar-mode nil)
  (tool-bar-mode nil)

Be sure to put it towards the end of your .emacs 'cuz
for some reason, other settings like to re-enable them.

But there is still the wasted space between the left margin
and the start of the text, plus the extra wide scroll bar.
I cannot figure out how to narrow them.  Also, once upon a
time, it was possible to "right click" the scroll bar and
have that line go to the bottom.  *MUCH, MUCH* more intuitive
than trying to guess how far from the top I should go.
That's beyond me, too.

Re: Olt/New Emacs 21 style -- any replies?

[Miles Bader]

Glenn Morris <gmorris+news@ast.cam.ac.uk> writes:
> > Why not in "The Standard Text Editor" ?
> 
> Hmm, tough call. I *think* vi edges out "The Standard Text Editor" in the
> torture stakes, but I haven't got a guinea pig to test it on.

If you give an invalid command, vi responds with annoying and arrogant
beeps, a raucous scream of oppression, whereas ed soothes you with a
humble question-mark.

Give me ed any day.

-Miles
-- 
Run away!  Run away!

RE: Olt/New Emacs 21 style -- any replies?

[Luis O. Silva]

Hi Bruce,

On Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:23:40 -0700, Bruce Korb writes:

   Bruce> ...
   Bruce> But there is still the wasted space between the left
   Bruce> margin and the start of the text, plus the extra
   Bruce> wide scroll bar.  I cannot figure out how to narrow
   Bruce> them.  Also, once upon a time, it was possible to
   Bruce> "right click" the scroll bar and have that line go
   Bruce> to the bottom.  *MUCH, MUCH* more intuitive than
   Bruce> trying to guess how far from the top I should go.
   Bruce> That's beyond me, too. ...

I'm not sure that I'm correct, but as far as I remember, if
you have the source of emacs 21.1.1 it is possible to use
./configure with the option:

--without-toolkit-scroll-bars

and you'll get the old-fashioned scroll bar. Another
suggestion is to disable it at all. Set scroll-bar-mode to nil
and use command scrolling. You'll soon forget about the scroll
bar and how it looks like.

Regards,
luis


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St. Petersburg State University.
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Stary Peterhof
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Re: Olt/New Emacs 21 style -- any replies?

[Bruce Korb]

"Luis O. Silva" wrote:

> --without-toolkit-scroll-bars

Can't.  I use a binary from an NFS server.  Yeah,
I could build one for my own box, but that's work.

> and you'll get the old-fashioned scroll bar. Another
> suggestion is to disable it at all. Set scroll-bar-mode to nil
> and use command scrolling. You'll soon forget about the scroll
> bar and how it looks like.

I've been using emacs for almost 20 years.  I know the
keyboard vs. mouse trade-offs.  I like mice.  :-)