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From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru
Subject: Re: [RFE] Migration to gitlab
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:01:58 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1553248918.28810.1@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <831s32t3fn.fsf@gnu.org>



On Ср, Mar 20, 2019 at 10:23:08, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>>  Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 09:56:34 +0300
>>  From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
>>  Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> 
>>  > And my point is that we are once again arguing about very much 
>> minor
>>  > issues, without doing anything about, nor even touching, the more
>>  > important ones.  E.g., I asked up-thread whether you knew how many
>>  > people review patches for Emacs; did you follow up on that?  This 
>> is
>>  > IMO much more important for Emacs development and eventually for 
>> its
>>  > future than whether our CI will be from Gitlab or from somewhere 
>> else,
>>  > definitely more important than the commit hooks issue.
>> 
>>  I didn't reply this point because I don't know what to add. I get 
>> that
>>  there's not much people doing review, but it's a pain present in 
>> most
>>  projects. Even some Linux kernel subsystems often lacks proper 
>> review,
>>  I regularly see articles about that on LWN popping up — and the
>>  kernel has thousands of contributors, most of them are paid ones.
> 
> Unlike in many other projects, I consider the situation with patch
> review, and more generally with the number of domain experts we have
> on board in Emacs, a disaster.

FTR, I think one reason that not many people are doing review is the 
requirement for patches to be sent to bugtracker. Besides being just 
confusing (obviously, it's a hack to work around lack of patch-tracking 
system on emacs-devel), this conflicts with the fact, that contributors 
are more likely to be subscribed to devel list rather than to 
bugtracker.

For example, I'm not subscribed to bugtracker because I don't know 
Emacs internals to give any useful comment for bugs. But at least for 
*.c file changes I could help a bit with review if I saw something on 
ML.

If you (not you personally, but Emacs developers) are trying to use 
mailing list workflow, you might want to copy some parts of it from 
other projects, such as Mesa drivers. Ignoring for a second the fact 
that Mesa partially moved to gitlab, for ML part they used α) 
patchwork site to keep track of patches on mesa-devel, and β) 
bugtracker notifications go to mesa-devel ML, so 
contributors/developers see them.

And while on it, a few weeks ago I sent 2 patches to bugtrackers, and I 
got a notification for each of them. I'm horrified to imagine what I 
gonna see if I send a series of 20 patches.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-03-22 10:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 287+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-17  2:17 bug#34889: [RFE] Migration to gitlab Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  3:01 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  3:34   ` bug#34889: " Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  8:20     ` Tim Cross
2019-03-17  9:51       ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-17 11:16       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 18:05         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19  0:52           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-19  1:43             ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-19  1:50               ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-20  2:28                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-19  7:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19  7:27             ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-19  8:47               ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-19 12:31                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-19 12:46                   ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-19 11:03               ` Ergus
2019-03-19  7:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19 14:13               ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found]                 ` <message from DmitryGutovon Tue>
2019-03-19 18:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19 21:59                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-20  6:13                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-20  6:56                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-20  7:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-21  8:28                           ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21  9:02                             ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-21  9:48                               ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21  9:59                                 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-21 17:54                                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21 19:03                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 21:19                                       ` Toon Claes
2019-04-24  7:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25  7:52                                           ` Toon Claes
2019-03-22 10:37                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-03-22 10:56                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-22 18:52                                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-03-23  0:37                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-22 11:24                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 12:38                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-22 13:27                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:57                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:17                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 13:50                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:05                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 14:20                                           ` Teemu Likonen
2019-03-22 14:29                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:54                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 15:19                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 15:38                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 15:58                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-23 21:58                                             ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-22 14:41                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-23  2:33                                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-23  7:18                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-23 14:04                                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-23 14:28                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24  6:29                                                 ` Van L
2019-03-24 11:22                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24  1:44                                             ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-22 10:01                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov [this message]
2019-03-22 10:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 10:34                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:44                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 14:36                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 14:57                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 17:01                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 15:28                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 12:43                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-03-22 13:05                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:30                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:44                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 16:46                                   ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 18:56                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:32                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 13:48                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:37                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 14:50                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 15:31                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:46                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 16:23                                     ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 16:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:48                                         ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 17:22                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:52                                       ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 16:57                                         ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 17:24                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24 13:53                                             ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-24 15:52                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25 16:29                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-25 17:09                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25 17:52                                                     ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-25 17:56                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-25 17:54                                                     ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 18:50                                           ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 19:00                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 17:23                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-20 23:26                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-21  5:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-21  7:58                               ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-25  1:17                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  8:17                                   ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-25  1:06                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  9:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 10:35                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25 10:55                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 15:01                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25 19:54                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 23:16                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-26  7:52                                             ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-26 12:49                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-26 13:03                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-26  8:05                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-27  1:40                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-27  9:43                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15  2:04                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15  2:30                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-15  5:42                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-15 13:45                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 14:34                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16  3:57                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-16 13:41                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 13:48                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-16 14:09                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 14:34                                                               ` debbugs extensions (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Michael Albinus
2019-05-16 23:40                                                                 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-17  7:30                                                                   ` debbugs extensions Michael Albinus
2019-05-17  8:40                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17  9:25                                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-17 10:45                                                                     ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-15 13:37                                                   ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-16  3:54                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-04-26  8:42                                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-04-26 19:41                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-20  1:02                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-18  1:48         ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-18  2:41           ` Tim Cross
2019-03-18 13:19             ` Van L
2019-03-19  2:15             ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-19 14:24               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-20  2:33                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-18 16:14           ` Karl Fogel
2019-03-17 16:48   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-03-17 18:05     ` Amin Bandali
2019-03-17  3:39 ` bug#34889: " Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17  4:04   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 15:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17  3:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17 12:37 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-17 13:14   ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 13:23     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 13:49       ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 14:06         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 14:26           ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 15:06   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 16:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17 17:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 17:29     ` Alex
2019-04-18  8:27       ` Toon Claes
2019-04-20 21:12         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-23 21:08           ` Toon Claes
2019-04-24 15:26             ` Alex Gramiak
2019-04-25  8:24               ` Toon Claes
2019-04-25 13:45                 ` Alex Gramiak
2019-04-25  0:42             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  8:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10  9:16               ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10  9:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 10:37                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 12:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 13:09                       ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 22:23                       ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  2:12                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-11  3:47                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-11  7:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11  7:38                               ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 10:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:13                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 13:49                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:57                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 14:04                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 19:25                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:25                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:24                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:22                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-12 15:50                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-12 20:51                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-06-18 15:36                                 ` Simon Leinen
2019-06-25 22:38                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-06-26 18:01                                     ` Simon Leinen
2019-06-26 18:21                                       ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-12  0:58                           ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  6:32                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12  0:23                           ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-12  5:31                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12  7:04                               ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-12 13:56                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13  4:32                                 ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 14:51                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:24                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-13 16:41                                   ` [OFFTOPIC] size of issue tracker (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 17:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:55                                       ` [OFFTOPIC] size of issue tracker Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 18:59                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-13 19:16                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 18:59                                       ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:02                                         ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:11                                           ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:56                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-14  8:43                                         ` Toon Claes
2019-05-14 19:58                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15  7:45                                       ` Toon Claes
2019-05-15 14:04                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 14:41                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 17:54                                     ` Clemens Radermacher
2019-05-16 19:58                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-16 23:19                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-16 23:31                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-19 19:34                                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-19 20:12                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-19 20:46                                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-20 11:57                                           ` Toon Claes
2019-05-20 12:29                                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-10 11:16                   ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 12:54                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 13:56                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 14:19                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 14:32                           ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-10 14:56                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 15:16                               ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-10 15:00                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 15:26                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-11 12:13                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 15:37                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-11 15:51                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 15:57                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-13  8:47                                   ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 16:33                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 20:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 21:12                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-11  6:13                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11  6:16                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 12:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 12:34                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 12:40                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:29                                           ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 13:58                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 14:06                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 14:42                                                 ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 14:57                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 16:09                                                     ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 14:11                                               ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 15:41                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-13  9:23                                     ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 21:32                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 21:56                               ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  6:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 19:19                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-13  1:43                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13  1:45                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 14:48                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:14                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13  9:03                             ` Toon Claes
2019-05-13 18:22                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14 10:23                                 ` EMBA enable Reply by Email (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Toon Claes
2019-05-10 14:02                       ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 14:28                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 14:54                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 15:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 16:23                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-12 19:09                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-12 22:24                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 13:13                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 14:02                   ` Debbugs problems (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 14:24                     ` Debbugs problems Michael Albinus
2019-05-10 15:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13  1:09                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 14:27                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 17:56                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 18:03                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:57                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 14:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 20:20                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14 14:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 10:41                 ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 15:23                   ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 13:48                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 17:49 ` Eli Zaretskii

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