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From: "Herring, Davis" <herring@lanl.gov>
To: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Should mode commands be idempotent?
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:15:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1507677356975.84569@lanl.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2mv5h2suj.fsf@newartisans.com>

[Sorry this is so late: I only caught up on this upon seeing the manual patch.]

> The statement I made only applies if the command is called in immediate
> succession. That is, the function is *itself* idempotent; it doesn't guarantee
> that intervening effects are somehow negated.

There is a reasonable candidate condition, at least for minor modes, that is broader than this: if a minor mode has state, that state should not be reinitialized if the minor mode was already enabled before it is "enabled again".  For example, according to this principle compilation-minor-mode should not discard its markers if it is called again -- precisely because of other changes made between the calls.

For major modes, kill-all-local-variables tends to prevent this sort of idempotence.  This is not really a problem: since only one major mode can be active at a time, it makes sense to consider a second call to actually _replace_ the previous "instance" of the major mode.  There also isn't much reason to call major mode functions from places like hooks that might unexpectedly re-execute them.

Davis


  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-10-10 23:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-19 19:58 Should mode commands be idempotent? Philipp Stephani
2017-09-19 22:10 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-19 22:29   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-20  7:24     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-20 14:52       ` John Wiegley
2017-09-20 22:30         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-20 23:05           ` Drew Adams
2017-10-08 15:09         ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-20 22:25       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-23  8:16         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-23 14:17           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-23 20:37             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-19 22:58 ` Drew Adams
2017-09-20  3:10   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-20 17:52     ` Drew Adams
2017-09-21  1:11       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-21  5:22         ` Drew Adams
2017-09-21 18:28           ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]         ` <<9f11a3c6-b113-4bf6-9dab-f894b2ad77b5@default>
     [not found]           ` <<E1dv6D1-0006Jr-Fl@fencepost.gnu.org>
2017-09-22 15:54             ` Drew Adams
2017-09-23  0:39               ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-23  8:05               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-24 17:26                 ` Drew Adams
2017-09-25  7:03                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-09-25 13:57                     ` Drew Adams
2017-09-26  0:36                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-26  3:30                         ` John Wiegley
2017-09-26 17:55                           ` Drew Adams
2017-09-26 18:01                             ` John Wiegley
2017-09-26 18:50                               ` Drew Adams
2017-09-26 18:54                                 ` John Wiegley
2017-10-08 15:28                                   ` Philipp Stephani
2017-10-08 19:04                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-10-10  2:10                                       ` John Wiegley
2017-12-21 20:49                                       ` Philipp Stephani
2017-12-22  2:20                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-10-10 23:15                                   ` Herring, Davis [this message]
     [not found]               ` <<E1dvYUB-0007na-Mx@fencepost.gnu.org>
2017-09-24 17:26                 ` Drew Adams
2017-09-25 22:06                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-19 23:50 ` John Wiegley
2017-09-20  3:09   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-20 13:01 ` Richard Stallman

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