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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216899 Archived-At: On Fri, 21 Jul 2017, at 12:47 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > > > On Jul 20, 2017, at 23:36, Paul Rankin wrote: > > > > Owning a thing, and having rights to that thing as if you > > owned it, are not the same thing. > > My understanding is that assigning copyright to the FSF means that you own your thing and allow the FSF to own a copy. It is not at all what you describe. As it stands in the various international copyright treaties, assigning copyright to another person or entity means assigning ownership. Owning a copy is provided through a licence, e.g. owning Iron Man on DVD. > For all practical purposes, what you describe above is two > legally/symbolically/philosophically equivalent things. To me this is feels internally contradictory.... I don't think practical purposes can be taken to provide symbolic equivalency.... but, the whole issue I'm trying to get across is with reducing copyright to its practical purpose (or a subset thereof). If we are reducing all things to their practical purposes, then yes, of course owning a thing and having all the same rights to that thing can be called equivalent. But to reframe my earlier point, the practical purposes of a thing do not entail the thing.