From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark H. David" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is there a sane way to type Hebrew with nikud with Emacs 25/Mac? Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:02:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1481151750.3863289.811957801.45609D8B@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1481056342.3486002.810530185.08361AFB@webmail.messagingengine.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1481151762 29674 195.159.176.226 (7 Dec 2016 23:02:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 23:02:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 08 00:02:38 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cElEU-00078g-C4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2016 00:02:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42873 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cElEY-0002i7-El for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 18:02:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48540) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cElEO-0002gt-Vf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 18:02:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cElEO-0004Xl-45 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 18:02:33 -0500 Original-Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.28]:33711) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cElEO-0004XE-0V; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 18:02:32 -0500 Original-Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C7C20BC1; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 18:02:30 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from web1 ([10.202.2.211]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 07 Dec 2016 18:02:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=YN EzS6sjWuBeksKoCoyjVsQlEk4=; b=BMegOjA7lWxKZXavD6UNcV6EDU+Bb+9EHN mIhxz7UaXQC/AgbmQJoiyAW+MVSG0RQVdS85tDIUPWPZWBnmBETU1V5RiKYkmCJ3 XjUo/vLn1hx4dDLwSmHAGCY0sS5IEsPcZCKCDqvj+AULHMAABXgxAeAWQQSXwikL EnY/JbjEo= X-ME-Sender: Original-Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 5F83EAA6BA; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 18:02:30 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-0857818b In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 66.111.4.28 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:210118 Archived-At: It's similarly a bummer on GNU/Linux with a PC keyboard. Straightforward way to try it: Add Hebrew language keyboard in your modern GUI in the GNU/Linux-y way. Fire up emacs, go to scratch buffer Switch keyboard to "he" (Hebrew keyboard) Type keys with caps: ASDF - 4 Hebrew letters show up: =D7=A9=D7=93=D7=92= =D7=9B Type ctrl+b, meaning backward-char. Doesn't work, you get: "C-=D7=A0 is u= ndefined". =D7=A0 is the Hebrew character you get when you type the keycap B. I tried this on Emacs 24. I'm sure it's the same on Emacs 25 in this respec= t. By the way, my keyboard switching key is assigned to Windows+Space [hold do= wn "Windows" key while typing the space bar], so when I type Windows+Space,= Emacs says "s-SPC is undefined". The system correctly intercepts my typin= g Windows+Space and switches the keyboard, but something is wrong there: it= should not even be seeing that key. Hopefully that's fixed upstream. I'll = check another day. Thanks, Mark ----- Original message ----- From: Richard Stallman To: "Mark H. David" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Is there a sane way to type Hebrew with nikud with Emacs 25/Ma= c? Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:54:55 -0500 [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > This relies heavily on using the Mac keyboard's option key, since > that's used for typing Hebrew character combinations, which > involves inserting Unicode characters from the Hebrew range as a > sequence of two characters: a base Hebrew character plus a > diacritic character, known as nikud, the combination of which I'm > calling here collectively "Hebrew with nikud". What about when not using a Mac keyboard? How good is our support for this feature on ordinary PC keyboards with the GNU/Linux system? --=20 Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.