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From: Daniele Nicolodi <daniele@grinta.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: `message' not outputting the newline "atomically"
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 19:03:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13bef0a4-2b9a-52ba-02bf-94cf45d76efc@grinta.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83woh1es3x.fsf@gnu.org>

On 01/07/2019 08:39, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Emacs is on many platforms a multithreaded program, so it could crash
> or be killed at an un-opportune moment even if the data it processes
> for the current stderr printout in the main thread is itself
> completely valid, let alone if Emacs is in trouble in its main thread
> and some of its data is corrupted.  Thus, the situations where the
> buffering _will_ affect diagnostics are real, not illusory, and the
> desire to avoid losing what little diagnostics we have in these cases
> has nothing to do with religion.
> 
> Once again, the people who decided to make stderr unbuffered were very
> smart.  Over the years, I silently thanked them many times for that
> decision, as I needed to diagnose bugs, both mine and those of others.
> In high-quality software bugs are quite rare, but when they do happen,
> each femto-bit of additional information is precious.  If you don't
> share this basic view, if you think the need for having stderr
> unbuffered needs some proof, then I guess our experiences and/or the
> amounts of gray hair from insufficient diagnostics are very different.

As I already expressed a couple of times now, this is all hypothetical.
The Emacs bug database is vast, can you please explicitly name just one
bug where there was truncated stderr output?

Thank you.

Best,
Daniele



  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-07-01 17:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-19 14:12 `message' not outputting the newline "atomically" Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-19 14:28 ` Andreas Schwab
2019-06-19 15:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-19 15:47   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-19 16:05     ` Andreas Schwab
2019-06-19 23:22       ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-20  2:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-20  7:47           ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-20  9:35             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-20 12:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-20 12:55               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-20 13:13                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-20 14:05                 ` Andreas Schwab
2019-06-20 16:26               ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-20 16:45                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-20 17:41                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-20 18:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-20 19:33                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-21  5:46                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-21  6:06                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-22  0:20                           ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-22  7:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-22 19:14                               ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-23  2:25                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-23  8:34                                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-23 11:37                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-23 14:47                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-23 17:32                                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-23 18:28                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-23 12:53                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-23 14:51                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-24  4:09                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-22  8:26                             ` Andreas Schwab
2019-06-22 18:53                               ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-22 19:00                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-22 19:15                                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-22 19:48                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2019-06-20 13:32             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-20 16:28               ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-23 18:59                 ` Daniele Nicolodi
2019-06-23 20:34                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-23 20:42                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-23 21:00                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-23 22:18                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-23 20:48                     ` Daniele Nicolodi
2019-06-24  2:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-24  2:51                     ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-06-24 19:48 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-24 20:03   ` Daniele Nicolodi
2019-06-24 20:17     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-24 21:11       ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-24 21:33         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-24 22:03           ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-24 22:06             ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-24 22:28             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-24 22:47               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-25 16:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-26  9:15                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-26 15:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-27 10:52                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-26 18:27                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-26 18:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-26 18:58                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-26 19:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-26 19:36                           ` Daniele Nicolodi
2019-06-27  2:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-27  5:43                               ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-30 20:11                               ` Daniele Nicolodi
2019-07-01  7:41                               ` Daniele Nicolodi
2019-07-01 14:39                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-01 17:01                                   ` Daniele Nicolodi
2019-07-02  2:28                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-02  7:58                                       ` Daniele Nicolodi
2019-07-02 14:47                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-02 20:56                                           ` Daniele Nicolodi
2019-07-03  5:23                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-01 17:03                                   ` Daniele Nicolodi [this message]
2019-07-02  2:26                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-26 19:38                           ` Paul Eggert
2019-06-25 16:06             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-26  9:21               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-26 15:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-27 11:03                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-27 13:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-28  8:30                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-03  7:31                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-07-03  7:41                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-03  7:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-03  7:57                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-03  8:45                               ` Paul Eggert
2019-07-03  9:30                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-03 23:08                                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-07-04 13:24                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-07  1:16                                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-07-07 14:51                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-08 22:35                                           ` Richard Copley
2019-07-09  2:33                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-09 13:45                                               ` Richard Copley
2019-07-09 15:16                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-09  2:47                                           ` Paul Eggert
2019-07-09 16:39                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-09 18:12                                               ` Paul Eggert
2019-07-09 18:32                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-09 18:44                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-09 19:17                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-14  0:42                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-07-14  6:01                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-25 16:08         ` Eli Zaretskii

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