From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marc Weber Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 05:25:03 +0200 Message-ID: <1377657416-sup-2090@nixos> References: <87ppsyu1l0.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87k3j6tye3.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1377660298 6162 80.91.229.3 (28 Aug 2013 03:24:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 03:24:58 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 28 05:25:02 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VEWNR-0007oA-C8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 05:25:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60132 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VEWNQ-0006lG-RC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 23:25:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41057) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VEWNC-0006l6-10 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 23:24:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VEWN6-0000gd-Fn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 23:24:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:61078) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VEWN6-0000gY-5S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 23:24:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([93.216.244.99]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LhfN3-1VrxmG3OYj-00mvw9 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 05:24:38 +0200 Original-Received: by mail.gmx.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 28 Aug 2013 03:25:03 +0000 In-reply-to: <87k3j6tye3.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> User-Agent: Sup/git X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hCLINC7wOqvWq24dZ6t3hmqsIcGbjlehRncvcHymNX6BfDpMhm/ cqDb/gKEzwS+49IHslCLnVflL9x0BiBl9BrK10V0txCfETQzGNg1x2PatmkIdgwrdDQRZxS GtUZSTToqp5QvF4W67GEg2pE0B/Xqa4rklVDYMf2Jg77yXs2BIvocpT29wTes9wU1Tv6cU4 X+ffD6rV1NR6JHMZFBGBw== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.22 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93129 Archived-At: Excerpts from Emanuel Berg's message of Wed Aug 28 03:08:27 +0200 2013: > Are there vim equivalences for rmail and Gnus? It was not about "managing mail", but about "writing" mails. Even mutt can use vim as editor. (I use sup). I agree that managing mail with Vim might be a lot harder. I never tried the notmuch interface for Vim. > I hate FB and blogs (the technology that is, I know there are good > blog posts), and the bare thought of writing in a browser is > repulsive. (Unless the browser is Emacs-w3m.) :-) Maybe its time to advertise yet another project: http://plover.stenoknight.com/ I'm pretty sure you'll have a hard time to beat those speeds with either Emacs or Vim (Luckily you could use both :) > Let's put it this way: all the programmers I've met who I have > respect for, as programmers and otherwise, use Emacs or Vim. :-) I tend to agree. > > Eg one thing which comes to my mind is "disassemblers", there > > are some dedicated tools which eventually outperform Emacs. > What's that? http://www.ollydbg.de/ (I bet it has features emacs does not have). Wether "programming assembler" or hacking executables for educational purposes is a common task is debatable. I'd be interested in whether the author used Vim/Emacs to write that tool :) > It *is* Emacs or Vim. 100%. Why on earth would you use Word (?!) - To read .doc files which people may have sent you. I tried switching to Emacs for two weeks, but in the end it was too hard, I was addicted to Vim (and my custom extensions) too much. The price was high: I had to rewrite quite a lot of plugins from scratch, such as ruby debugging, php debugging, plugin management, ruby/python repl with completion and such. I had to write a Vim version of scion, of ensime, ... and I've been unable to maintain all of this due to lack of time, and some of the code is not portable. Eventually I would have wasted less time if I had started with Emacs. Who knows? Simple list of extensions I tried using in the past (I had to write Vim support code for - but which I was unable to maintain due to lack of time): Started by Emacs users: - scion (Haskell compilation server) - ensime (Scala support) - blender python patch (so that you can code blender python code in emacs) Started by Vim users: - eclim (headless Eclipse as server for Vim to get completion, error checking and the like). There is a port for Emacs (no idea about its current state) Of course this list is incomplete, yet it shows that Emacs users are active and writing support code for new stuff. Marc Weber