From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: drain Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 14:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1375651426763-294069.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <87a9l4rs76.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <39e6407d-c4fd-4dc1-b47f-a1ba4119c7cb@googlegroups.com> <87iozqzjjq.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <871u6dpjar.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <14bebcfe-2311-4bb3-8154-4cc803962c71@googlegroups.com> <6be5c9a9-ba78-4169-8020-aa9e4c30a759@googlegroups.com> <87fvut16j9.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87haf72gdy.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1375651447 7005 80.91.229.3 (4 Aug 2013 21:24:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:24:07 +0000 (UTC) To: Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 04 23:24:09 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V65mb-0001Cd-9e for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 23:24:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54068 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V65ma-0004qt-R5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:24:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45631) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V65mL-0004pv-9D for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:23:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V65mG-0004lG-87 for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:23:53 -0400 Original-Received: from sam.nabble.com ([216.139.236.26]:48987) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V65mG-0004l0-4Z for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 17:23:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1V65mE-00013m-Ow for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 14:23:46 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87haf72gdy.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 216.139.236.26 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92704 Archived-At: > But from my experience with LaTeX, you can get just about > any result that you can find in a book shop or public library, at > the very least. So there isn't any "I don't even like the output" > - you can get whatever you like. I make my case based on its powerful minimalism. As soon as the general population see any code, they run away scared. However, it is still possible to boil the frog by gradually raising the heat: now that I've gotten these people addicted to this text editing environment, perhaps I can get them to start writing more code. Generally the beginning involves a lot of hand-holding and blind copy / paste of Elisp code blocks into the .emacs. It does take up a lot of my time, but in the end, a dutiful member of the church is dedicated to proselytization. LaTex may have infinite output possibilities, but doesn't it still require writing a lot of code in the actual buffer? What's nice about org-mode is that the printed output is the same as the printed input. -- View this message in context: http://emacs.1067599.n5.nabble.com/Emacs-history-and-Is-Emacs-difficult-to-learn-tp293486p294069.html Sent from the Emacs - Help mailing list archive at Nabble.com.