From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jxa127@verizon.net Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12787: RE: bug#12787: Re: bug#12787: Toolbar regression from Emacs 23 to Emacs24 -- Save As and Help no longer available Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:48:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <13717901.1512310.1351889291551.JavaMail.root@vms170027> References: <8698659.1494633.1351877357323.JavaMail.root@vms170027> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1351889365 1112 80.91.229.3 (2 Nov 2012 20:49:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 20:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12787@debbugs.gnu.org To: drew.adams@oracle.com, jxa127@verizon.net, rgm@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 02 21:49:31 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TUOBA-0003ui-9Z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:49:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36807 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUOB1-0001I7-Qc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:49:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41951) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUOAz-0001Hl-GJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:49:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUOAy-0004l5-H1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:49:13 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35864) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUOAy-0004kt-Ds for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:49:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TUODi-0000cZ-7r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:52:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <8698659.1494633.1351877357323.JavaMail.root@vms170027> Resent-From: jxa127@verizon.net Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 20:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12787 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12787-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12787.13518894882348 (code B ref 12787); Fri, 02 Nov 2012 20:52:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12787) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2012 20:51:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46115 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TUOD9-0000bo-Jp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:51:28 -0400 Original-Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.19]:48272) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TUOD6-0000bg-N0 for 12787@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:51:25 -0400 Original-Received: from vms170027pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.3]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MCV0025COGB5G52@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for 12787@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:48:12 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from 63.66.64.247 ([63.66.64.247]) by vms170027 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:48:11 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [63.66.64.247] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:66363 Archived-At: On 11/02/12, Drew Adams wrote: >> I don't know about other users, but I look to the NEWS to >> explain changes. It was self-evident that the change was >> made, but not why the change was made. > >IMO, the NEWS should cover user-visible changes, and that includes changes like >this one. OK, let's assume this omission was not intentional and it just fell >through the cracks. Too bad. Right. The reson I brought up the NEWS is that the last time I submitted a bug report regarding a change, the fact that it was not in the NEWS was part of the criteria for determining whether or not the change was deliberate. I get that things fall through the cracks. I'm just trying to submit a clear, complete bug report. Thanks, all, for the discussion and consideration of my bug submission. Regards, Drew Ames