From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Next pretest, and branching plans Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:52:50 -0800 Message-ID: <136A0B1647B74A53A26506F872BECC6E@us.oracle.com> References: <873a0yhknd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1266804679 22986 80.91.229.12 (22 Feb 2010 02:11:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:11:19 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Leo'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 20 18:49:07 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nisar-0007UO-Qx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:54:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43607 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nisar-0003hZ-As for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:54:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nisam-0003hS-6O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:54:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37715 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nisal-0003hI-4o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:54:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nisaj-0001L6-Vl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:54:06 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:34584) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nisaj-0001Kl-Pv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:54:05 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o1KGrw0X028263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:53:59 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o1KFpAnr029090; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:53:57 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt005.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 40508651266684770; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:52:50 -0800 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.5.179.75) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:52:49 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcqyJ+Ktz3LqMa4nS5GXSLbJQXXkPQAGtUdQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A020206.4B8013A5.03BE:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121252 Archived-At: > > If pretest feedback from Windows users is at all useful or > > important to you, then you might consider this a loss. > > If not, just keep on rolling... > > Is a policy to provide a binary for windows? There's no binary for > GNU/Linux, OSX and many others. I cannot speak to what the "policy" is, or whether there even is a policy. I make no claim about policy. GNU Emacs does publish this, FWIW: http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/. The README there (from 2010/01/03) says, "This directory contains precompiled distributions for GNU Emacs on Windows". That is, GNU Emacs publishes a directory that has _only_ Windows binaries. No, the README does not claim that the directory includes a binary of the latest pretest. And it did not include a binary for the previous pretest (23.1.91) either, until we reminded about it a few times and Jason found time to create and post it (thank you). But prior to that, AFAIK, it generally _has_ included pretest binaries. I repeat: *IF* such feedback from Windows users is important to Emacs development, then you might consider that not posting a binary will reduce useful feedback. Speaking for myself only, that will be the case. As an example, I recently spent some time with Michael A. trying to debug and fix bug #5478, and we were forced to test using the previous Windows pretest because the latest was not available. With no pretest binaries at all, next time perhaps we will need to wait for a binary of the next release. Or the bug might find someone who wants to not only fix the bug but also build Emacs on Windows. Perhaps more importantly, there will be fewer (far fewer, IMO) new bug reports from Windows users for the latest code. Instead of a pretest, you will, in effect, just wait until after the release to get such bug reports. The purpose of the pretest will thus be defeated, except for those Windows pretesters who are willing to build Emacs. Speaking for myself again, I have submitted many bug reports for Emacs pretests, including for the last one (23.1.91). I submitted none for 23.1.92, since there was no binary. IF you think that bug reports during pretest can be helpful in general, then this is a loss. > But when I was using Windows, I have found the following two sources > that provide excellent binary for windows. > http://code.google.com/p/emacs-for-windows/ > http://www.ourcomments.org/Emacs/DL/EmacsW32/EmacsCVS/unptch/e > macs-from-cvs-091015.zip Yes, and there are other sites that also have, or have had, old Windows binaries. And people appreciate this. But that is all beside the point. Those you cite are from 2010/02/02 and 2009/10/15, respectively. Neither represents the latest pretest. That's the point: the pretest. If you, Lennart or anyone else builds a pretest binary and posts it, that will be helpful and appreciated.