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charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Peter,=0A=0AThanks for taking the time to reply.=A0 Though it was useful= , I'm still confused about how to resolve this issue.=A0 To be clear, when = I posted yesterday, it was in emacs that I was seeing the extraneous charac= ters, not in notepad.=A0 However I just opened it again in notepad to check= on the encoding and now I'm seeing the extra characters there as well.=A0 = So something must have changed when as part of trying to figure out what wa= s going on, I saved the file in Emacs.=A0 Emacs seems to be the culprit.=A0= Is there something that I can put in my .emacs to tell it to save automati= cally in utf-8?=A0 Or am I maybe still not understanding things.=0A=0AThank= s again.=0A=0A-ts1971=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A= From: Peter Dyballa =0ATo: Tech Stuff =0ACc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" =0ASen= t: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:50 AM=0ASubject: Re: File Encoding Issue on Wi= ndows=0A =0A=0AAm 12.03.2013 um 04:08 schrieb Tech Stuff:=0A=0A>=A0 =C2=BFE= n qu=C3=A9 fecha llegaron=0A> =0A> when I should see:=0A> =0A> =BFEn qu=E9 = fecha llegaron=0A=0AThe first line encodes the text of the last line in UTF= -8 encoding, but is displayed to you in a different, an 8-bit encoding. In = UTF-8 more than one byte, more than 8 bits, are used to encode the characte= rs. Only the characters of the US-ASCII range (U+0001 - U+007E), i.e. the d= igits, non-accented characters, punctuation, are encoded by one byte.=0A=0A= The character =BF, INVERTED QUESTION MARK, U+00BF, is encoded in UTF-8 as t= wo bytes: C2BF. These two bytes are in Notepad interpreted as some Latin or= MS Windows encoding, i.e. as two different characters, as =C2 and as =BF, = which are then displayed as such.=0A=0AThe character =E9, LATIN SMALL LETTE= R E WITH ACUTE, U+00E9, is encoded in UTF-8 as two bytes: C3A9. These two b= ytes are in Notepad interpreted as some Latin or MS Windows encoding, i.e. = as two different characters and then displayed as =C3 and as =A9.=0A=0AIn M= S Windows code page CP1252 uses for encoding:=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0 A9 =3D =A9, CO= PYRIGHT SIGN=0A=A0=A0=A0 BF =3D =BF, INVERTED QUESTION MARK=0A=A0=A0=A0 C2 = =3D =C2, LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX=0A=A0=A0=A0 C3 =3D =C4, LAT= IN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS=0A=0ASo Notepad is using this code page,= CP1252, to display the UTF-8 encoded file. What you need to do is to tell = Notepad to use UTF-8.=0A=0A--=0AGreetings=0A=0A=A0 Pete=0A=0AGive a man a f= ish, and you've fed him for a day. Teach him to fish, and you've depleted t= he lake. ---1710639418-938918544-1363100259=:90696 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Peter,

Than= ks for taking the time to reply.  Though it was useful, I'm still conf= used about how to resolve this issue.  To be clear, when I posted yest= erday, it was in emacs that I was seeing the extraneous characters, not in = notepad.  However I just opened it again in notepad to check on the en= coding and now I'm seeing the extra characters there as well.  So some= thing must have changed when as part of trying to figure out what was going= on, I saved the file in Emacs.  Emacs seems to be the culprit.  = Is there something that I can put in my .emacs to tell it to save automatic= ally in utf-8?  Or am I maybe still not understanding things.

T= hanks again.

-ts1971 


=
From:<= /span> Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE>
To: Tech Stuff <techstuff1971@yahoo.com&= gt;
Cc: "help-gnu-emac= s@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: File Encoding Issue on Wi= ndows

=0A
Am 12.03.2013 um 04:08 schrieb Tech Stu= ff:

>  =C2=BFEn qu=C3=A9 fecha llegaron
>
> whe= n I should see:
>
> =BFEn qu=E9 fecha llegaron

The firs= t line encodes the text of the last line in UTF-8 encoding, but is displaye= d to you in a different, an 8-bit encoding. In UTF-8 more than one byte, mo= re than 8 bits, are used to encode the characters. Only the characters of t= he US-ASCII range (U+0001 - U+007E), i.e. the digits, non-accented characte= rs, punctuation, are encoded by one byte.

The character =BF, INVERTE= D QUESTION MARK, U+00BF, is encoded in UTF-8 as two bytes: C2BF. These two = bytes are in Notepad interpreted as some Latin or MS Windows encoding, i.e.= as two different characters, as =C2 and as =BF, which are then displayed a= s such.

The character =E9, LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH ACUTE, U+00E9, = is encoded in UTF-8 as two bytes: C3A9. These two bytes are in Notepad inte= rpreted as some Latin or MS Windows encoding, i.e. as two different characters and then displayed as =C3 and a= s =A9.

In MS Windows code page CP1252 uses for encoding:

&nbs= p;   A9 =3D =A9, COPYRIGHT SIGN
    BF =3D =BF,= INVERTED QUESTION MARK
    C2 =3D =C2, LATIN CAPITAL LET= TER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX
    C3 =3D =C4, LATIN CAPITAL LETTE= R A WITH DIAERESIS

So Notepad is using this code page, CP1252, to di= splay the UTF-8 encoded file. What you need to do is to tell Notepad to use= UTF-8.

--
Greetings

  Pete

Give a man a fish,= and you've fed him for a day. Teach him to fish, and you've depleted the l= ake.



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