From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: S Boucher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs users a dying breed? 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X-Received-From: 98.139.213.165 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85394 Archived-At: =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0A=0A> Agreed. Some basic tidying = and emacs would/might get a new lease of=0A> life. mixed mode, java, auto c= ompletion, some tutorial on how to actually=0A> use cedet without a degree = in compiler design :)=0A=0AI think the biggest problem with cedet is not ce= det itself.=0A=0AWhen you create a VisualStudio project, VS controls everyt= hing, and therefore it is easy to hook into the compiler to maintain the xr= ef DBs.=0A=0AWhen you have an endless number of build systems out there, it= 's a lost cause for cedet to be tightly integrated with the build system (w= hich is pretty much a requirement to have decent xref facilities).=A0 I don= 't see how a simple tutorial can be written on how to setup cedet.=0A=0AYou= can probably set things up well on your own little project, but try to set= up cedet on top of, say, webkit... good luck (heck, webkit itself has more = than one build system :-)).=0A