From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#30217: Ambiguity in NEWS in emacs-26.0.91 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 22:07:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <132fe701-a996-4708-bf39-4ee95230b8fa@default> References: <20180122221743.GB4888@ACM> <5074511f-b3b3-45aa-80b4-130be08f30ec@default> <87efmho17g.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <4c079376-7659-4962-aa73-39a4b4ed76e0@default> <878tcpnyio.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1516687593 2628 195.159.176.226 (23 Jan 2018 06:06:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 06:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , 30217@debbugs.gnu.org To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 23 07:06:28 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1edrii-0007e1-6c for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 23 Jan 2018 06:07:21 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w0N67JuL012144; Tue, 23 Jan 2018 06:07:19 GMT In-Reply-To: <878tcpnyio.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4627.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8782 signatures=668655 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=686 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1801230085 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:142418 Archived-At: > > But may I ask why such "strange quote" characters are not > > taken as lisp-symbol constituent characters? Why the need > > to escape them? Why are they treated specially? > > > > That description describes a workaround "to avoid confusion", > > but it's not clear why we need "to avoid confusion". >=20 > To give a less confusing error in cases like Bug#2967 and Bug#23425. Seriously? This is an absolutely horrible "fix" for each of those problems. This "cure" is worse than either of those diseases, and as we all know, I think such diseases are pretty awful. The error message seems to be _super_ confusing. It gives no indication of problems such as those bugs, and it does not begin to enlighten anyone about the confusion at their heart. If no one has a real fix for such bugs yet then please just leave them open until someone comes up with a good idea. This "fix" is not a good idea - for those bugs at least. If this fix has some other purpose, then let's please know what that is and talk about it. But if such problems are the only reason for this "fix" then please consider getting rid of such silly and useless escaping and just change the error message to make clear just what confusion it is meant to address: say that the character is not an ascii apostrophe or whatever, if that confusion is the real problem this is trying to solve.