all messages for Emacs-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: S Boucher <stbya@yahoo.com>
To: MBR <mbr@arlsoft.com>
Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
	"rms@gnu.org" <rms@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete]
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:51:34 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1317837094.6189.YahooMailNeo@web161614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E8C9349.7040000@arlsoft.com>


>
>  But if the keystroke assignments have changed, my fingers are constantly tripping over each other, which is distracting enough that it makes it hard to concentrate on debugging the problem I'm there to fix in the first place.


My configs are so big that no matter what, it's going to be a bit clumsy when I'm using emacs without all my own cruft.  Heck, there's the reverse scenario: someone I go help has his own cruft that makes emacs non-standard.


The key point is whether making it easier for non-hacker should take precedence over making it easier for hackers.  I think we should make it easier for non-hackers.  In the case of the menus, it therefore made more sense to leave them enabled. 


When it comes down to a line or 2 in .emacs, I think the burden should rest on hackers.

In the case of the present proposed change, I wouldn't even offer the choice to have the old behavior to keep the code easier to maintain. Anyone will get over this after at most a day or 2 of !@#$!@$.  And then, you won't have a problem when you go help a friend.

Reminds me of years ago when someone changed all the keybindings of Emacs to match what he was used too on some other Emacs.  Just get used to what the is defined.  It's not the end of the world (at least in the case of the present proposal).  The odd times when a binding changes in Emacs, I just get used to it.

I don't mean to insult anyone, but there's a ridiculous amount of obtuseness displayed in this thread over changes which any reasonably intelligent person will get used to quickly, without adverse effect.  The amount of time spent arguing in this thread is more than it would take anyone to get used to the change.

It's not like we're talking about moving C-x to C-^.




  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-05 17:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-26  3:57 Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Chong Yidong
2011-09-26  4:46 ` Leo
2011-09-26 18:43   ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-26 23:21     ` Leo
2011-09-26  7:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26  8:23   ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-26 23:05   ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-09-26 11:12 ` Neal Becker
2011-09-26 11:36   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-13  4:50     ` Kevin Rodgers
2011-10-13  8:58       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26 16:53 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-26 17:14   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26 17:39     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-26 18:50       ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-26 17:07 ` Bastien
2011-09-26 17:26 ` Rasmus
2011-09-26 21:12 ` draft for DEL key poll Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 21:38   ` Karl Fogel
2011-09-26 22:02     ` Kim F. Storm
2011-09-27  6:30       ` Stefan Reichör
2011-09-27 16:34       ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-28 22:48         ` Kim F. Storm
2011-09-29  2:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-09-30  3:42             ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 16:34     ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 22:38   ` disable delete-selection-mode? (was: Re: draft for DEL key poll) chad
2011-09-26 23:10     ` disable delete-selection-mode? Glenn Morris
2011-09-27 16:34     ` disable delete-selection-mode? (was: Re: draft for DEL key poll) Richard Stallman
2011-09-27  0:08   ` draft for DEL key poll Juri Linkov
2011-09-27 16:34     ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27  0:52   ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-27 16:34     ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 18:49     ` James Cloos
2011-09-28  7:54     ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-28  8:26       ` Tassilo Horn
2011-09-28  9:53         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-09-28 17:44       ` chad
2011-09-29 10:49         ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-29 17:56           ` chad
2011-09-29 23:17             ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2011-09-30  0:04               ` chad
2011-09-30 21:03             ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-30 21:22               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-01  6:03                 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-09-27  0:59   ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-27 16:34     ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 23:00 ` Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Ota, Takaaki
2011-09-26 23:58   ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-27  0:30     ` Ota, Takaaki
2011-09-30  3:42 ` Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete Richard Stallman
2011-09-30  8:56   ` Memnon Anon
2011-09-30 11:36   ` Jai Dayal
2011-09-30 15:17   ` Joel James Adamson
2011-10-01 12:54     ` Le Wang
2011-10-03 15:25       ` Joel James Adamson
2011-10-03  5:57   ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03  9:21     ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-03 15:14       ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 20:57         ` Martyn Jago
2011-10-03 17:18       ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03 18:53         ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-03  7:33   ` Suvayu Ali
2011-10-03 13:18     ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] ken
2011-10-03 13:24       ` Jai Dayal
2011-10-03 14:47         ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 13:41       ` Suvayu Ali
2011-10-03 15:17         ` ken
2011-10-03 16:02           ` "like other editors" [ Richard Riley
2011-10-03 20:39             ` ken
2011-10-03 15:35         ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 16:01         ` "like other editors" [ Richard Riley
2011-10-03 16:00       ` Richard Riley
2011-10-03 17:45         ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03 19:27           ` Rasmus
2011-10-03 21:30         ` ken
2011-10-03 16:22       ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 12:37         ` ken
2011-10-04 22:09           ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 12:44         ` ken
2011-10-04 18:40           ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 20:02             ` ken
2011-10-04 20:19               ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 21:42                 ` ken
2011-10-04 21:54                   ` Jai Dayal
2011-10-05  0:35                   ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04  1:54       ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]       ` <mailman.5071.1317713524.939.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-10-04 13:12         ` rusi
2011-10-04 17:27       ` S Boucher
2011-10-05 14:30         ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-05 16:02           ` Rustom Mody
2011-10-05 17:26         ` MBR
2011-10-05 17:51           ` S Boucher [this message]
2011-10-04  4:28   ` Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete MBR
2011-10-04  7:33     ` suvayu ali
2011-10-04 14:08       ` MBR
2011-10-04 14:40         ` suvayu ali
2011-10-04 11:39     ` Marko Vojinovic
2011-10-04 13:31       ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 11:47   ` Jonathan Groll
2011-10-04 13:33     ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 16:17       ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-04 16:36         ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 17:38   ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 18:29     ` Alan E. Davis
2011-10-04 19:16       ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 19:11   ` Johnny
2011-10-05  1:04   ` Ludwig, Mark
2011-10-06 12:24     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-10-06 19:15   ` Ken Goldman
2011-10-06 19:52     ` Marko Vojinovic
2011-10-18  8:09   ` Steinar Bang
2011-11-13  4:24   ` semperos
2011-10-01  0:22 ` Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Drew Adams
2011-10-03 16:11   ` Drew Adams
2011-10-03 22:56     ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-03 23:42       ` Drew Adams
2011-10-03 23:43         ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-12 10:18     ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 10:25       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 11:28         ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 11:37           ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:07             ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 12:18               ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:27                 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 12:29                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:31                     ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 13:19                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 19:46                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:20               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:46                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12 13:16                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:17           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:52         ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-12 13:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 14:21         ` Dave Abrahams
2011-10-12 14:48           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 11:27       ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 13:48       ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 14:02         ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-13  1:54         ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13  3:33           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-13  4:04             ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13 16:15             ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-13 22:54               ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-15  1:32                 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13 14:17           ` Drew Adams
2011-10-18 17:15             ` Drew Adams
2011-10-18 23:34               ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-18 23:55                 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-13 14:28           ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-13 14:49             ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-07 19:25 ` nabil-82
2011-10-08  6:20   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 16:38     ` nabil-82
2011-10-09  4:00       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-09 13:02         ` nabil-82
2011-10-09 17:04           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11  1:39       ` Kenichi Handa
2011-10-12 13:04         ` nabil-82
2011-10-12 15:54           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 16:58             ` nabil-82
2011-10-13  8:55               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 21:01     ` Glenn Morris
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-10-05  3:46 "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete], Rustom Mody
2011-10-05  4:35 ` Le Wang
2011-10-05  5:05   ` Rustom Mody

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=1317837094.6189.YahooMailNeo@web161614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com \
    --to=stbya@yahoo.com \
    --cc=help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org \
    --cc=mbr@arlsoft.com \
    --cc=rms@gnu.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.