From: S Boucher <stbya@yahoo.com>
To: "gebser@mousecar.com" <gebser@mousecar.com>,
Jeremiah Dodds <jeremiah.dodds@gmail.com>,
GNU Emacs List <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete]
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 15:09:36 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1317766176.20193.YahooMailNeo@web161619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E8AFDF4.2040607@mousecar.com>
----- Original Message -----
>( Again) Though some believe it makes more sense to bottom-post and/or respond
> interlinearly, most people using email top-post. So we should all start doing
> what most people do. :P
Is it just me that has the impression that you are being argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative?
Let me ask you: Leaving aside the technical merrits for a moment, if rms goes ahead with the change for the sake of being coherent with other applications and make it easier for the newbies, are you going to survive or are you going to give up Emacs? How painful will the survival be?
> C-p - Print the file
>
> C-n - New file
>
> C-a - select All
>
> C-q - Quit
>
> These changes will make it easier for those new to emacs. In that they are
> culturally biased towards those who speak English, there are good reasons for
> them.
Sigh! You like to be argumentative...
And we all know that Emacs is not the least bit biased towards English.
C-p - previous-line
C-n - next-line
C-y - yank
C-k - kill-line
Furthermore, if - and that's a big IF - the various letter choices (C-a, C-w, C-x, etc) had anything to do with ergonomics, those without a qwerty keyboards might be getting a raw deal.
I'm a long time emacs user and love it, but it's not like every decision ever made in emacs is always right. I recall having to use C-x@ to set mark (that's having to type C-x S-2) to set mark in some instances when I couldn't get C-<space> to work. Non-working C-<space> was probably one of the most frequent issue brought up in gnu.emacs.help back then.
We should really put this to rest, but that's just my opinion...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-10-04 22:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-09-26 3:57 Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Chong Yidong
2011-09-26 4:46 ` Leo
2011-09-26 18:43 ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-26 23:21 ` Leo
2011-09-26 7:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26 8:23 ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-26 23:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-09-26 11:12 ` Neal Becker
2011-09-26 11:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-13 4:50 ` Kevin Rodgers
2011-10-13 8:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26 16:53 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-26 17:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-26 17:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-26 18:50 ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-26 17:07 ` Bastien
2011-09-26 17:26 ` Rasmus
2011-09-26 21:12 ` draft for DEL key poll Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 21:38 ` Karl Fogel
2011-09-26 22:02 ` Kim F. Storm
2011-09-27 6:30 ` Stefan Reichör
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-28 22:48 ` Kim F. Storm
2011-09-29 2:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-09-30 3:42 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 22:38 ` disable delete-selection-mode? (was: Re: draft for DEL key poll) chad
2011-09-26 23:10 ` disable delete-selection-mode? Glenn Morris
2011-09-27 16:34 ` disable delete-selection-mode? (was: Re: draft for DEL key poll) Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 0:08 ` draft for DEL key poll Juri Linkov
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 0:52 ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-27 18:49 ` James Cloos
2011-09-28 7:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-28 8:26 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-09-28 9:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-09-28 17:44 ` chad
2011-09-29 10:49 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-29 17:56 ` chad
2011-09-29 23:17 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2011-09-30 0:04 ` chad
2011-09-30 21:03 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-30 21:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-01 6:03 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-09-27 0:59 ` Chong Yidong
2011-09-27 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-26 23:00 ` Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Ota, Takaaki
2011-09-26 23:58 ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-27 0:30 ` Ota, Takaaki
2011-09-30 3:42 ` Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete Richard Stallman
2011-09-30 8:56 ` Memnon Anon
2011-09-30 11:36 ` Jai Dayal
2011-09-30 15:17 ` Joel James Adamson
2011-10-01 12:54 ` Le Wang
2011-10-03 15:25 ` Joel James Adamson
2011-10-03 5:57 ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03 9:21 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-03 15:14 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 20:57 ` Martyn Jago
2011-10-03 17:18 ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03 18:53 ` Tassilo Horn
2011-10-03 7:33 ` Suvayu Ali
2011-10-03 13:18 ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] ken
2011-10-03 13:24 ` Jai Dayal
2011-10-03 14:47 ` Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 13:41 ` Suvayu Ali
2011-10-03 15:17 ` ken
2011-10-03 16:02 ` "like other editors" [ Richard Riley
2011-10-03 20:39 ` ken
2011-10-03 15:35 ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] Andreas Röhler
2011-10-03 16:01 ` "like other editors" [ Richard Riley
2011-10-03 16:00 ` Richard Riley
2011-10-03 17:45 ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-03 19:27 ` Rasmus
2011-10-03 21:30 ` ken
2011-10-03 16:22 ` "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 12:37 ` ken
2011-10-04 22:09 ` S Boucher [this message]
2011-10-04 12:44 ` ken
2011-10-04 18:40 ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 20:02 ` ken
2011-10-04 20:19 ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 21:42 ` ken
2011-10-04 21:54 ` Jai Dayal
2011-10-05 0:35 ` Jeremiah Dodds
2011-10-04 1:54 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <mailman.5071.1317713524.939.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2011-10-04 13:12 ` rusi
2011-10-04 17:27 ` S Boucher
2011-10-05 14:30 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-05 16:02 ` Rustom Mody
2011-10-05 17:26 ` MBR
2011-10-05 17:51 ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 4:28 ` Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete MBR
2011-10-04 7:33 ` suvayu ali
2011-10-04 14:08 ` MBR
2011-10-04 14:40 ` suvayu ali
2011-10-04 11:39 ` Marko Vojinovic
2011-10-04 13:31 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 11:47 ` Jonathan Groll
2011-10-04 13:33 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 16:17 ` Ian Zimmerman
2011-10-04 16:36 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-04 17:38 ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 18:29 ` Alan E. Davis
2011-10-04 19:16 ` S Boucher
2011-10-04 19:11 ` Johnny
2011-10-05 1:04 ` Ludwig, Mark
2011-10-06 12:24 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-10-06 19:15 ` Ken Goldman
2011-10-06 19:52 ` Marko Vojinovic
2011-10-18 8:09 ` Steinar Bang
2011-11-13 4:24 ` semperos
2011-10-01 0:22 ` Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Drew Adams
2011-10-03 16:11 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-03 22:56 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-03 23:42 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-03 23:43 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-12 10:18 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 10:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 11:28 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 11:37 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:07 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 12:18 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:27 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 12:29 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:31 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 13:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 19:46 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 12:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 12:52 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-12 13:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 14:21 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-10-12 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 11:27 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-12 13:48 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-12 14:02 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-13 1:54 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13 3:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-13 4:04 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13 16:15 ` Chong Yidong
2011-10-13 22:54 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-15 1:32 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-13 14:17 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-18 17:15 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-18 23:34 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-10-18 23:55 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-13 14:28 ` Dani Moncayo
2011-10-13 14:49 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-07 19:25 ` nabil-82
2011-10-08 6:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 16:38 ` nabil-82
2011-10-09 4:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-09 13:02 ` nabil-82
2011-10-09 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 1:39 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-10-12 13:04 ` nabil-82
2011-10-12 15:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 16:58 ` nabil-82
2011-10-13 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 21:01 ` Glenn Morris
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-10-05 3:46 "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete], Rustom Mody
2011-10-05 4:35 ` Le Wang
2011-10-05 5:05 ` Rustom Mody
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