Today Leo wrote:
> We are already using CLOS (in the form of EIEIO), so the elisp lib cl.el
> really has been unfairly treated for such a long time because it was put
> into emacs too ahead of time and because of rms's dislike of CL (the
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> language).

Ah, I see. Indeed this whole things really smells a lot like a
political decision like this.

> Also putting a cl- in front of everything merely reminds
> people of Common Lisp. Can we just think of cl.el as some good ideas
> stolen from Common Lisp and forget about it hereafter.

+1

More and more functional elements enter other programming languages -
see Perl, Python, Scala, upcoming Java versions, ... Historically Lisp
is the first functional programming language.

Still AFAICS Emacs Lisp lacks something simple like `reduce'. Well, to
make it worse: It *is* there - in cl.el. But you may not use it. This
is really weird...

Something similar applies to `defstruct'. Some standard mechanism to
group a bunch of attributes would be really helpful - beyond abusing
positions in lists for this. Am I missing something here?


						Grüße

						Stefan