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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Ted Zlatanov'" <tzz@lifelogs.com>, <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: highlighting non-ASCII characters
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:04:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <130527C5CEED43598D8CDF4324E475B7@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87vdcegdco.fsf@lifelogs.com>

> DA> it can also be useful to highlight a character (e.g. curly quote)
> DA> that is similar to but not identical to another character
> DA> (e.g. straight quote).
> 
> OK, but can you say how it's useful in a specific example?  In SQL,
> Perl, Java, Lisp, and TeX editing I would not need the *glyphs*
> highlighted because the mode would detect the mismatch, e.g. in Perl
> 
> $result = `run command here[wrong backward quote here]; # comment here
> 
> would highlight "comment here" as part of the command.  IOW they are
> syntactically significant so a mismatch is not likely to go unnoticed
> anyway by the regular font-lock and the parser.
> 
> In regular text it's legitimate to have any combination of quote marks
> so I don't see the benefit of looking for suspicious combinations.  In
> domain names quote marks of any kind are suspicious :)

Perhaps you're assuming that the code will be used in Emacs, so you say that
Emacs treats all such quotes similarly or highlights them anyway etc. (so no
problem).

Emacs might be used to write raw documentation (e.g. including code samples)
that is used to generate HTML or PDF or... Readers of that doc might then copy
and paste such examples into an app other than Emacs for execution - an app that
does not treat all such quotes similarly. 

Just one hypothetical example, extrapolated from why we use straight quotes in
our use of Framemaker.

Beyond that, I would think that there might be a number of use cases where one
might want to visually distinguish characters that are difficult to distinguish
- either exact homoglyphs or approximate ones. That's all.

Remember that it was only recently that Emacs itself started to treat a
non-breaking space in Lisp code the same as a regular space. Nothing guarantees
that an app DTRT with chars that look similar but are different.

And there's the opposite potential problem: not distinguishing similar chars
visually in the case where they do have different behaviors in some app. Suppose
you prepare code (for example) in Emacs for use in some other context, and you
want to be made aware when you use the wrong char, to avoid a problem
downstream.

Anyway, you get the point, I think. If you don't think there is a problem, I'm
OK with that.





  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-30 14:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-18 19:11 Translation of http status code to text Lennart Borgman
2010-03-22  1:19 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-22 13:17   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-22 14:01     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-22 14:25       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-22 17:06         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-22 17:55           ` Sven Joachim
2010-03-22 19:23             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-22 20:32               ` Sven Joachim
2010-03-22 21:31                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23  9:55                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 13:08                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 14:26                       ` face for non-ASCII characters (was: Translation of http status code to text) Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23 16:28                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 18:18                           ` face for non-ASCII characters Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-15 22:41                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-15 23:07                               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16  0:51                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16  9:10                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 15:05                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 15:28                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 15:42                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 15:50                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 15:57                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 16:01                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 16:13                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 16:22                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 16:27                                                   ` Drew Adams
2011-04-16 16:45                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 16:48                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-16 16:55                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-16 17:11                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-18 15:48                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-18 15:53                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-18 16:20                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-18 17:03                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-19 13:07                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-19 18:56                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-20 14:49                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-20 21:38                                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 17:35                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-21 18:42                                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 19:14                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-21 20:00                                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 20:35                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-21 20:53                                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-21 21:18                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-22 12:20                                                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-22 12:49                                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-22 13:23                                                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-23  0:50                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-23  7:13                                                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-25 17:54                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-26 18:26                                                                                                       ` Chong Yidong
2011-04-26 19:05                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-26 20:29                                                                                                           ` Chong Yidong
2011-04-27  3:45                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-27  4:42                                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-05-02 18:18                                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-03  1:50                                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-05-03 14:45                                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-03 21:21                                                                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-05-04 14:41                                                                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-04-27 12:41                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-22 14:20                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-22 17:12                                                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-26  3:14                                                                                                 ` package management proposals for Emacs (was: face for non-ASCII characters) Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-26  8:10                                                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-26 21:46                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-27  1:19                                                                                                       ` package management proposals for Emacs Stefan Monnier
2011-04-27  3:36                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-27 21:14                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-04-26  3:09                                                                                               ` markchars.el 0.2.0 and idn.el (was: face for non-ASCII characters) Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-26  8:13                                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-04-26 15:28                                                                                                   ` idn.el and confusables.txt (was: markchars.el 0.2.0 and idn.el) Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-13 19:42                                                                                                     ` idn.el and confusables.txt Stefan Monnier
2011-05-13 20:19                                                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14  8:13                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14  8:06                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14  8:56                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-05-14  9:36                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14 13:40                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14 14:38                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14 15:30                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14 16:42                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-14 17:06                                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14 20:59                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-15  1:22                                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-15  5:56                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-15 12:14                                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-16 12:38                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-16 18:31                                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-17 17:59                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-17 15:32                                                                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-18 18:15                                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-05-14 17:25                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-05-15 13:06                                                                                                         ` Kenichi Handa
2011-05-15 17:34                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-18  5:23                                                                                                             ` handa
2011-05-18  7:38                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-18  7:59                                                                                                                 ` handa
2011-05-18  8:13                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-17  8:15                                                                                                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-17 15:12                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21  2:07                                                                                                                       ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-21  2:53                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21  3:29                                                                                                                           ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-21  6:11                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21  7:22                                                                                                                               ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-21  7:34                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21  8:02                                                                                                                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2011-06-21 10:30                                                                                                                                     ` bidi at startup (was: idn.el and confusables.txt) Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-21 15:12                                                                                                                                       ` bidi at startup Stefan Monnier
2011-06-21 17:13                                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-22 15:32                                                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-07  6:10                                                                                                                         ` C interface to Unicode character property char-tables Kenichi Handa
2011-08-06 16:52                                                                                                                         ` Using uniprop_table_lookup (was: idn.el and confusables.txt) Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-09  0:55                                                                                                                           ` Kenichi Handa
2011-08-09  1:32                                                                                                                             ` Using uniprop_table_lookup Stefan Monnier
2011-08-09  4:31                                                                                                                               ` Kenichi Handa
2011-08-15  8:57                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-05-31 10:42                                                                                                     ` uni-confusables 0.1 is on the Emacs ELPA branch (was: idn.el and confusables.txt) Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-08 10:42                                                                                                       ` uni-confusables 0.1 is on the Emacs ELPA branch Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-08 15:22                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-04-16 16:00                                             ` face for non-ASCII characters Drew Adams
2010-03-23 19:40                         ` Florian Beck
2010-03-23 14:35                       ` Translation of http status code to text Miles Bader
2010-03-23 14:22                     ` highlighting non-ASCII characters (was: Translation of http status code to text) Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23 16:50                       ` highlighting non-ASCII characters (was: Translation of http statuscode " Drew Adams
2010-03-23 21:49                         ` highlighting non-ASCII characters Stefan Monnier
2010-03-23 21:53                           ` Drew Adams
2010-03-24  0:45                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-24  1:03                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24  2:47                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-24  4:20                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-24  5:14                                     ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-24 13:25                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-24 15:06                                         ` Jason Rumney
2010-03-24 19:47                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24 10:05                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24 16:21                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-24 19:34                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 17:35                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-26 20:43                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-26 22:50                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-29 18:38                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-29 18:48                                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-29 20:20                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 20:19                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 20:51                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30 13:22                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-29 21:05                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-29 21:31                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-29 21:32                                                     ` Drew Adams
2010-03-30 13:15                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-30 14:04                                                         ` Drew Adams [this message]
2010-03-30 14:17                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30 14:42                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-30 16:18                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-30  1:45                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25  7:11                                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-25 14:07                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 17:32                                           ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-26  0:32                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 13:38                                               ` Stephen Berman
2010-03-26 22:44                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25  7:12                                     ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-24  2:09                               ` Drew Adams
2010-03-24  5:00                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-24  9:28                               ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-24 13:15                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24  9:27                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-22 18:41           ` Translation of http status code to text Stefan Monnier
2010-03-22 19:15             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23  9:54               ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 10:54                 ` joakim
2010-03-23 15:02                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-24  3:22                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-24 17:35                   ` Glenn Morris
2010-03-24 19:37                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-25  1:16                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-23 12:57               ` Stefan Monnier

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