From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Dyballa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs keybinding syntaxes bewilderment Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:50:29 +0100 Message-ID: <12897082-05B1-4454-B8A1-B8F6239E14EC@Web.DE> References: <19df9387-2846-403c-a86d-d361f10645dd@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <256d3391-7498-4890-bc70-c02084d4b9e8@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <8c6fa80c-1be8-4a30-9b12-aa0c3850d756@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <4765B5DA.7050209@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1197849076 27970 80.91.229.12 (16 Dec 2007 23:51:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Harald Hanche-Olsen To: Lennart Borgman (gmail) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 17 00:51:25 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J43GO-0000Zs-6U for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:51:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J43G4-0003PX-WB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:50:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J43Fl-0003MN-94 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:50:37 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J43Fk-0003Jr-5b for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:50:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J43Fk-0003JS-16 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:50:36 -0500 Original-Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J43Fj-0000a6-IY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:50:35 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp06.web.de (fmsmtp06.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.172]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007F5B9CD0AB; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:50:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from [195.4.205.11] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by smtp06.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (WEB.DE 4.108 #208) id 1J43Fh-00037i-00; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:50:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4765B5DA.7050209@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Sender: Peter_Dyballa@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19lW23KX56MKZJa4wFCmv8ZVtfiOeOmoHhQxToA 5yk+9C2Jol6EmkfNavQe6XuL6xWPcqgkNN7MtOUURDJ3eWDF0O F1OX+Jt5X5CZQKBfLtTQ== X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:50130 Archived-At: Am 17.12.2007 um 00:33 schrieb Lennart Borgman (gmail): > Peter Dyballa wrote: >> Am 16.12.2007 um 20:37 schrieb Harald Hanche-Olsen: >>> Now it used to be, unless I am mistaken, that the elisp >>> manual used not to be distributed with the emacs source code, but >>> came >>> separately. I guess that must have changed? But I don't know when. >>> >> I think it was at some time in 21.3.50 from CVS, before stable GNU >> Emacs 22 was released, September or October 2007. > > > But wasn't 22 released in June? Then 22.1? I'm not using stable versions, so I am a bit uncertain. I remember that some real change happened then (22.1.50 -> 23.0.50?) and by paying more attention to the contents of the *compilation* buffer I found that the elisp.texi and elisp-* files appeared there. OK, I found a hint a ChangeLog file: 2007-09-06 Glenn Morris * Move from lispref/ to doc/lispref/. Change all setfilename commands to use ../../info. * Makefile.in (infodir): Go up one more level. (usermanualdir): Change from ../man to ../emacs. (miscmanualdir): New. (dist): Use new variable miscmanualdir. * makefile.w32-in (infodir, texinputdir): Go up one more level. (usermanualdir): Change from ../man to ../emacs. [...] 2007-08-29 Glenn Morris * elisp.texi (EMACSVER): Increase to 23.0.50. Is this already Alzheimer? Then using a mobile phone wouldn't make more damage when becoming up-to-date myself ... -- Greetings Pete With Capitalism man exploits man. With communism it's the exact opposite.