From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31125: 26; (emacs) `Highlight Interactively' Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 21:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <128680b7-eb89-42ec-9013-a99120d6d8f8@default> References: <<<57ad2ae3-cfe5-4fca-a503-e106658d3e38@default>>> <<<83efjl3cyk.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<5b84d18a-5781-4ab9-8593-5db385574556@default>> <<83a7u92m60.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523507768 25594 195.159.176.226 (12 Apr 2018 04:36:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 04:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 31125-done@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 12 06:36:04 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Txr-0006Ws-9P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Thu, 12 Apr 2018 04:37:53 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w3C4bqDL011491; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 04:37:52 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83a7u92m60.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4678.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8860 signatures=668698 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=650 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1804120046 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:145117 Archived-At: > > (It does somehow seem to bad that someone can read the > > entire Emacs manual without knowing anything about > > Lisp symbols, including that there is such a critter.) >=20 > Actually, "Symbol Search", which is where you get if you select > "symbol search" from the completion list popped up by "i search TAB", > does try to tell what is a symbol in language-independent terms. Yes, I'm aware of that. And that additional, syntactic meaning of "symbol" in Emacs jargon has little-to-nothing to do with Lisp symbols. A reader won't learn anything about Lisp symbols by reading that node. On the contrary: s?he will instead mislearn something untrue that suggests it is about Lisp symbols but is not. A Lisp symbol is not just "a source code token", nor are Lisp-mode "source code tokens" necessarily Lisp symbols. Using `forward-symbol' or "symbol search" in Lisp does not move across or find Lisp symbols. =20 It's too bad that Emacs chose to appropriate the term "symbol" for that other, essentially unrelated meaning. But it did. It's a shame because Lisp is something really important to Emacs, and so to Emacs users. And symbols are something important to Lisp. This is what Lisp symbols are about (though they have additional characteristics): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_(programming)