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From: Jeff Clough <jeff@chaosphere.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs User Friendliness Question/Hope
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:26:01 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1279293961.2135.143.camel@logrus.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinkKz4kSp57HiBh7lxr6DAIhsD1cpacLpo20M88@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 16:38 +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote:

> > I don't think it's unreasonable for a new "usability" feature to check a
> > global setting before doing it's magic.  Or to otherwise be disabled
> > unless either enabled specifically or enabled via a global "make Emacs
> > work like Notepad" command.  Make it on by default, but give me a way to
> > turn it off with one line, as opposed to having one to three lines for
> > every one of these enhancements.
> >
> 
> But that's easier said than done, isn't it? Where should we draw the
> line between what's "new" and Notepad-ish and what's "old" and
> Emacs-y? To be honest, it sounds like you're looking to add a function
> to Emacs which makes it act exactly as the way you want it to. Every
> Emacs user has their own taste, which is why the init files exist in
> the first place. Let's not start adding what is essentially custom
> user configurations to Emacs.
> 

I think you have over-generalized what I was asking for.

If you look through some of the recent (and not-so-recent) discussions
on emacs-devel, you will see a number of
proposed/implemented/soon-to-be-implemented changes, the primary (if not
*only*) justification for which is making Emacs behave more like a
typical window-based application.

It's my hope that *those* changes can be easily turned off, not on a
per-enhancement basis, but through a convenient variable.  Look at it as
an exercise in bundling these enhancements into something analogous to a
compatibility mode like those that exist for vi in one form or another.
Put the mode on by default, but let the people who want to turn it off.

Your statements concerning "a function which makes emacs act exactly as
I want" and "adding what is essentially custom user configurations to
Emacs" are definitely *not* describing what I am requesting.

Jeff





  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-16 15:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-16 10:48 Emacs User Friendliness Question/Hope Jeff Clough
2010-07-16 14:07 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-16 14:30   ` Jeff Clough
2010-07-16 14:38     ` Deniz Dogan
2010-07-16 15:26       ` Jeff Clough [this message]
2010-07-16 17:01         ` Chad Brown
2010-07-16 22:50       ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-07-17  0:16         ` Fernando C.V.
2010-07-17  1:41         ` Christoph
2010-07-17  2:11           ` Miles Bader
2010-07-17  3:08             ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-17  3:34               ` Miles Bader
2010-07-18 12:36               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-18 12:59                 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-07-18 13:20                   ` Geoff Gole
2010-07-18 14:10                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-19 14:37                       ` Geoff Gole

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