From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jeff Clough Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Selection changes Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:39:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1279132758.2135.81.camel@logrus.localdomain> References: <87ocea2ax1.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279132778 11378 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2010 18:39:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 14 20:39:33 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZ6ri-0002VX-3q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:39:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40934 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZ6rh-0006B8-GS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:39:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41212 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZ6rb-00069I-1W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:39:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZ6ra-0001pz-15 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:39:22 -0400 Original-Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.124]:63409) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZ6rZ-0001ph-VU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:39:22 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=g9Y3NohClm0xo0Au7hiKM/lwvZwqTqjWC8eysRFNA3U= c=1 sm=0 a=zNANCjgXmV0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=wN3dDBks/ChO7xvezkoALQ==:17 a=Jb9uj1BwrXXbTvKX08IA:9 a=l50tWsRQ5knPtRcXk9AA:7 a=I3W8S4wr3685JdsicYSG96ZCUOcA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=wN3dDBks/ChO7xvezkoALQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.70.71.134 Original-Received: from [74.70.71.134] ([74.70.71.134:44548] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by hrndva-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 3E/7B-27780-7540E3C4; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:39:19 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87ocea2ax1.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.2 (2.30.2-1.fc13) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127308 Archived-At: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 14:08 -0400, Chong Yidong wrote: > I've changed the way Emacs interacts with the X clipboard and selection, > to bring it in line with how other X applications behave. For most > users, the main visible change is that `kill' and `yank' now interact > with the clipboard. One advantage of this change is that the > Cut/Copy/Paste menu bar items are just the usual C-w/M-w/C-y commands. Crap. What's the variable I frob again to turn this off so Emacs stays away from my clipboard? > I believe that this change should be pretty much seamless, but let me > know if there is any problems. For what it's worth, I like the Emacs kill-ring to be completely divorced from the X clipboard selection. This creates two different "worlds", to be sure, but I kill/yank text in Emacs all day and make heavy use of jumping around the kill-ring. The clipboard selection is much more ephemeral and without such history. I just tend to use kill/yank in a different way than copy/paste. When it's necessary to move text between these worlds, the primary selection and middle-click are more than enough. Again, just my personal preference. Jeff