From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Bikeshedding go! Why is unbound? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:12:25 -0800 Message-ID: <126CA0FE34DF42B592334331E88BE63D@us.oracle.com> References: <4D355F3A.4040709@gmx.de> <871v4abc80.fsf@wanadoo.es><4D359279.4090804@gmx.de> <87wrm29wb0.fsf@wanadoo.es><9867180AEEC544C99CA9B0C398DF931F@us.oracle.com><5464DCDEDA334277A79FB09D2A0DA23A@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1295544681 10791 80.91.229.12 (20 Jan 2011 17:31:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:31:21 +0000 (UTC) To: "'PJ Weisberg'" , "'Emacs-Devel devel'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 20 18:31:14 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PfyLm-0001pz-DH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:31:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52692 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PfyAJ-00008Q-4v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:19:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34082 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pfy6n-0004Yo-9P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:15:47 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pfy6l-0004Kd-2G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:15:40 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:38620) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pfy6k-0004KH-Ks for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:15:39 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p0KHFY9f024585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:15:35 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p0KGcIha018002; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:15:34 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt002.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 978141531295543547; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:12:27 -0800 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:12:27 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: Acu4PYjttMkzGYfwRgSP8AiB9CkgPgAhdv7w X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:134825 Archived-At: > If a key has a meaning in the environment, even a non-standard > meaning, users might *expect* the key to keep that meaning even > when the great and powerful Emacs has keyboard focus. Understood. But the same expectation is equally unmet if the key is defined locally by Emacs. That part is nothing new. Emacs can and does change the behavior of some outside keys locally. In the case of a few keys it does not on some platforms - typically cannot, IIUC. Emacs is a local environment, and one that pretty much (i.e., with exceptions) can give you info about any key. At the very least (and it seems most are agreed about this), an Emacs user needs to be able to ask `C-h k' and learn that a given key is (a) defined as Emacs command `foo', (b) passed-through to Windows, or (c) undefined.