From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 16 (Re: Infrastructural complexity.) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:38:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1248075519.6319.125.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> References: <20090712180623.GA1009@muc.de> <1247871746.6287.157.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <1247966060.7410.63.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <1247976095.7410.113.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <1248068731.6319.107.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <1248074920.6319.120.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248075542 15263 80.91.229.12 (20 Jul 2009 07:39:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, rudalics@gmx.at, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 20 09:38:53 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MSnSW-0000U9-TL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:38:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34916 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MSnSW-0007Z7-Cv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:38:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MSnSR-0007Ys-3Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:38:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MSnSL-0007Yg-OB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:38:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42732 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MSnSL-0007Yd-IP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:38:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:42948) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MSnSK-00021J-S2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:38:41 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp161.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.161]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MSnSK-0006Up-C5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:38:40 -0400 Original-Received: from relay26.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay26.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 27CBD1B405B; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by relay26.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: lord-AT-emf.net) with ESMTPSA id 98D851B4025; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:38:38 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Detected-Operating-System: by mx20.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112814 Archived-At: I've lost you a little bit there because your calling the four panels "containers". I call them "frames". -t On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 09:34 +0200, Lennart Borgman wrote: > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Thomas Lord wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:47 +0200, Lennart Borgman wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Thomas Lord wrote: > >> > _______ > >> > _______________________________ > >> > | | | | > >> > | | | | > >> > | ~~~control~~~panel~~~area | > >> > | | | | > >> > |_________|_________|_________| > >> > | | main | | > >> > | ~~ | edit | ~~ | > >> > | | area | | > >> > | | | | > >> > |_________|_________|_________| > >> > | | | | > >> > | | | | > >> > | ~~~control~~~panel~~~area | > >> > | | | | > >> > |_________|_________|_________| > > > > >> This seems to be easy to implement on the elisp level, > > > > I don't see how, c.f. Miles' comments recently. I mean, > > you need some C-level hackery to have the "five frames > > in one systems window, configurable by those eight bits" > > but then, sure, you can make all the behaviour of that nice > > by hacking at the elisp level. > > > I mean the layout, not tool bars, tab bars etc. (Forgot exactly what > Miles meant.) > > And I do not think of the 4 panels in this layout as panel windows. I > think of them as panel CONTAINERS for panel windows. > >