From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Infrastructural complexity. Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:05:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1248033950.6319.5.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> References: <20090712180623.GA1009@muc.de> <1247797261.6302.137.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <1247798678.6302.156.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <87ocrjtafd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <1247871746.6287.157.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <87iqhpef8j.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248033992 520 80.91.229.12 (19 Jul 2009 20:06:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Leo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 19 22:06:25 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MSceN-0002dx-Re for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:06:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44617 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MSceN-0004kA-Bo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:06:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MScdz-0004SQ-AS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MScdu-0004RY-KP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53030 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MScdu-0004RV-GD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:54 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp121.dfw.emailsrvr.com ([67.192.241.121]:45096) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MScdt-0007aR-Fr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:53 -0400 Original-Received: from relay2.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay2.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A8F09E2021D; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by relay2.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: lord-AT-emf.net) with ESMTPSA id 20598E2021B; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:51 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112770 Archived-At: On Sun, 2009-07-19 at 14:21 +0100, Leo wrote: > >> GIMP has the *worst* GUI. > > Because GIMP tried to mimic Photoshop GUI. > However, Photoshop has learnt its deficiency and evolved into a much > better one while GIMP has stuck to it. I wonder about this sentiment. Perhaps it is just my twisted mind but I kind of like the Gimp UI system. It could (will?) benefit from incremental spit and polish for years to come but the basic idea seems sound. Regardless, though, if it's easier we could talk about the examples of OpenOffice and Eclipse, if those are less controversial. Informally speaking, I'm looking forward to an Emacs with some way to have "control panel thingies" and tear-offs because I think that once we have that, soon after, (a) I won't have to use OpenOffice writer any more; (b) the program I use instead will have things like C-x 2 and C-x b in the main edit area (plus all the other lovely, logical orderliness of the Emacs command set and command loop. This (one way or another) is going to be awesome and I tip my hat to the more active Emacs developers today for their work towards it. -t