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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281609 Archived-At: Hi Stefan, tested on a macOS. My -1 goes because their is a lot of movement in the mode= line: The %% and the ** flags have different width. The same happens with the numb= ers, so if I have the column number activated, moving column by column creat= es a belly-dance efect that despite the joke is quite unpleasa= nt... So if the mode-line doesn't have things that change too much in time, it may= be assumable, but when you need to show things in the modeline that change o= ften, the mode line will be most probably trembling like a jelly-cake. Best, /PA Enviado desde mi iPad > El 10 dic 2021, a las 14:15, Stefan Kangas escrib= i=C3=B3: >=20 > Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: >=20 >> Going back to master I have encountered the "mode-line" surprise. Why is >> the default face for the mode line now variable pitch? It looks ugly to m= e. >> If there is a vote on this, I'll be definitely '-1'. However, it's nice >> that we had to try it. Thanks for that. >=20 > You aren't providing any details about your machine or the fonts used. > It seems to me that the default variable width font in some situations > is not ideal (as in the screenshot Eli provided for his MS-Windows > machine). >=20 > Instead of protesting the switch based on that, I'd suggest we improve > the way we pick the font so that we end up with something acceptable (or > even good).