From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: William Case Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs's popularity Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:35:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1229430918.11290.14.camel@CASE> References: <2103fd36-c5cd-4e8d-a74f-34697a369934@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <003101c954de$f95a3000$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87skop8cc7.fsf@iki.fi> <20081215210907.GB3848@groll.co.za> <87ljuh86il.fsf@iki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229430964 23403 80.91.229.12 (16 Dec 2008 12:36:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jonathan Groll , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Teemu Likonen Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 16 13:37:09 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LCZAa-0006f9-Ae for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:37:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52358 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCZ9N-0007ow-Vx for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:35:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCZ8X-0007a2-5G for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:34:53 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCZ8V-0007Zm-VH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:34:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38906 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCZ8V-0007Zj-M5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:34:51 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp116.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([68.142.225.232]:39932) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LCZ8V-0001VW-CI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:34:51 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 14897 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2008 12:34:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Subject:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OBxYGRCSOC2E7K/sYzOyRAo0vunuMlDVdy6Qjzrg7vMtA+QeK6DEhvfOgcnpP+1NujJFhC+tp0qlLV372e2IsbM6sBOiEJ3h2TMTlHaNnE2YY5hiR/BpCLfuC3aMxfqLJkqbnR/qdpStJo7uvQjvqRZ3NKhdrG84NAE6FpvpmHU= ; Original-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (billlinux@99.245.242.191 with plain) by smtp116.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2008 12:34:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FaoXSScVM1nIPXoZoQuuVwysl8Q3XI8UXN8BjpDHDYeT7BDxEb4Uf.2eFnV3f7HJJw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <87ljuh86il.fsf@iki.fi> X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 (2.22.3.1-1.fc9) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:60682 Archived-At: Hi; On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 23:37 +0200, Teemu Likonen wrote: > Jonathan Groll (2008-12-15 23:09 +0200) wrote: > > > Sadly, vim outvotes all flavours of GNU emacs on the above graph when > > added to it (although to be fair, on Debian emacs is not installed by > > default but some flavour of vi is). > > Yes, nowadays Vim is in every Debian installation (priority "important" > for vim-tiny). The popularity graph by installs (percent) shows that > vim-common is basically in everyone's system: > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/6g934p > > But Vim is not only installed; it's really used a lot. In Debian Vim has > always been a bit more popular than Emacs but in the first half of 2007 > Vim really got popular (around Vim 7.1 and Debian 4.0 release). This > "used actively" graph compares vim-common, emacs21-bin-common and > emacs22-bin-common packages: > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/5thmmx My experience is that a Linux user, particularly a new user, should take a couple of hours to learn the rudiments of each. Not only to make an informed choice about whether emacs or vim suits them best as a text editor, but also because most of the key strokes for command line programs are based on one or the other, e.g. readline on emacs; less on vi. It took me a couple of years to fully understand that if I learnt those two programs (vi and emacs), I didn't have to memorize hundreds of key strokes for all my utility programs. -- Regards Bill Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1